I've always had something/someone follow me since I was young. Sometimes I wouldn't notice it for up to a year at a time. This presence has always been a prankster of sorts, one time my sister and I were arguing over nothing when I was 10 and it knocked the salt and pepper on the floor. We ignored that and then it decided to push a soda can back and forth across the counter (something we couldn't explain away). Ever since 2006 when my fiancé and I got together (I was 17) it seems to not like him. Its gone as far as knives flying off the counter. My fiancé is a good man, works hard, respects me. He did tell me he dabbled in dark arts when he was young and stupid. I'm no medium, or psychic but my fiancé is a medium and he says its sprites that follow me. Since we moved into our apartment in 08 I've always sensed conflict in my home. My fiancé and I get along well, are very respectful of each others feelings which is why I can't help but wonder if things that follow us and things already here (theres a nursing home a stones throw away from our patio) aren't getting along. It seems to be putting stress on my kids and me. Is there anything I can do to remedy this or do I need to move? Any insight at all would be appreciated

"In response to the fear generated by the rapid change around us, society has seen a plethora of occult and demonic sources arise, with fortune tellers, astrologers and psychic hotlines pretending to peek into the mysteries of tomorrow. A Google search of "psychics" brings 4.3 million results! How many otherwise intelligent people glance at their "astrological signs" occasionally with the hope of finding direction? How many pay late-night psychic hotlines for a word of hope and encouragement?"

The above quote was from the following website:

Sid Roth - It's Supernatural Messianic Vision: Finding Peace in Uncertain Times

Using your loud voice, COMMAND ALL of the hindering spirits to leave and to NEVER return to you or any of your relatives, in the name of Yeshua Ha'Mashiach, and then watch what happens!

Jesus doesn't run a charity hospital either. Things need to clean up in this family for legal ground to be removed for these spirits.

It's not often someone quotes Sid Roth. Kudos to you!

Well, from what you describe in your question it sounds like you BOTH have spiritual baggage coming into that relationship. You're fiancé is correct, this is a spirit in your life. So, do you really think that moving is going to fix this... since even you said it has followed you since your youth? There is a fix for this situation... but it involves life changes. Be prepared to either put up with these conflicting spirits or make some changes. It's up to you.

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Jesus doesn't run a charity hospital either. Things need to clean up in this family for legal ground to be removed for these spirits.

It's not often someone quotes Sid Roth. Kudos to you!

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Perhaps you should read the following, especially the end comment!

Matthew 12 Commentary - Jesus heals a demoniac. - BibleGateway.com

Nice comment... not sure what it applies to here though. Explain?

Usually things are quiet here but since my 17 yr old cousin committed suicide in Nov its been unrest. I should've mentioned this in my original post. As far as legal ground for being messed with. Idk where u've been but I've heard of far worse things happening to "good christian families" the only reason we're not married is because we can't afford a wedding and I want a real wedding, not a sterile court house deal. I want to wear a dress and dance with my husband. And since both our parents are more broke than us it may never happen. Jesus running a charity hospital? Can u elaborate on this because I have no idea what that means. I was never taken to church as a kid, don't even know how to join a church or which one I'd join. That would be why I haven't had my girls baptized. I do believe in God, which is why these things don't scare me as much as they maybe should. I've always had paranormal entities around me. I've never felt like I should be until my fiancé had a knife fly off the counter in his direction. As far as life changes go I wouldn't even know where to begin (as I've explained above) if I could get a little more elaboration and a little less "holyer than thou" I'd love the help. I am willing to live with these spirits so long as they can live with me.

I apologize... a lot of that conversation was geared toward infoguy, though concerning your situation. I was not referring to your living together and not being married in anyway. And yes, paranormal situations do occur in "good Christian families". My comment on "Jesus running a charity hospital" was more in response to what infoguy posted. While I agreed with what he was getting at for a solution to your problem... I wanted to make it clear that God doesn't just swoop down and fix all the problems and then vanish. When I made comment about life changes, that too needs some clarification. Like I said above, it sounds like you both have some spiritual baggage... how and when that entered your lives is a different conversation at this point, but the fact is it seems that something is hanging around your family and it doesn't sound like it's leaving soon. Rest assured there is hope... but for a pure and honest riddance of these entities, be prepared to have to make some changes in your lives. I do not mean in any way for that to be offensive... and I'm not implying that through sinful living you guys are reaping what you sowed. I'm not saying that in anyway. It sounds like you love your fiancé and family and with you, I am genuinely concerned with the wellbeing of your family.

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Nice comment...not sure what it applies to here though. Explain?

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HauntingHelper, the comment that I posted was directed toward you, in respose to your comment (roughly) about "some things have to change." The quote from Bible gateway seemed to directly address the situation the couple we are BOTH concerned about right now. The problem is, when people have been deceived by black arts (not knowing the dangers involved), they may not be able to discern the differnce between good and evil spirits. As an example, didn't the lady say she would be willing to live with the spirits? What did Jesus do when confronted with a demon possessed person? Did He tell that person that "he would have to change some things".. . Or did he simply COMMAND the spirit(s) to leave the possessed man? I believe, when spiritual activity is evident and it is not of God, then it must be of Satan and the "1/3 of all the angels that were cast out of heaven" when Lucifer decided to rebel against God, long before Adam and Eve ever walked the earth. Satan can appear as "an angel of light," so he certainly can deceive people. But one thing Satan CANNOT do is say "Jesus is Lord," nor can he ignore a richeous command given in the (Hebrew) name of Jesus (which is Yeshua). Let us all remember, "All (mankind) have sinned and come short of the Glory of God." "There is none richeous, no not one!" So, yes, even as a sinner, we CAN invoke the name of Jesus, "just as we are" AKA "just as I am." That really is the FIRST step toward eternal salvation. The real key that people need to understand, is that, despite of movies like "Ghost," God NEVER lets the spirit of a human remain on the earth while that person's body is completely dead. Which is why "communicating with the dead" (humans) is not even possible, and they are really communicatiing with demonic sprits pretending to be spirits of humans!

I'm with you every step of the way there. HOWEVER, one cannot be forced free. Yes, we have authority in the name of Jesus... but these spirits have legal grounds sometimes... and they can come back if a situation is not dealt with properly. Matthew 12:43-45 illustrates this wonderfully. I'm trying to lay a good foundation for these spiritual laws first. Yes, sometimes barging into the situation and commanding an entity to go and go now is necessary... but not often... and I don't see their situation as being the case for that. You did notice she was willing to live with these spirits... that's a flag right there that she is willing to have them in her life if it doesn't mean too much interruption. That is not a situation where you just go commanding spirits to leave. She has to desire a pure deliverance from them... or they have the right to come back.

Twitch615, there is help... but it has to be something you are willing to work with. It sounds like there are occult ties to your fiancé and possibly something generational with you... this stuff needs to be dealt with before it can just be "vanished" if that makes any sense.

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. The real key that people need to understand, is that, despite of movies like "Ghost," God NEVER lets the spirit of a human remain on the earth while that person's body is completely dead. Which is why "communicating with the dead" (humans) is not even possible, and they are really communicatiing with demonic sprits pretending to be spirits of humans!

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Which scripture is this from?

Martinizing2, I'm glad you asked! Here are many of the scriptures cited:

Ecclesiastes 8:8 [There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Psalms 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

When a person dies, their spirit returns to God who gave it (Ecc. 12:7; Matt. 27:50; John 19:30; Acts 7:59). The body without the spirit is dead (Jam. 2:26).

Without a living human body (either mortal or spiritual) to interact with, the human spirit is unconscious, in a state similar to sleep. This is why the Bible so often speaks of death being like sleep. At the time of resurrection, God sends the spirits of the dead back to inhabit their bodies once again (Eze. 37:10; Luke 8:55).

JOHN 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. (RSV)

LOTS of Bible verses warning about divination and "black arts" can be found here:
- Bible Verses About Divination

Nobody (other than Jesus, the Christ) was ever "perfect." But if we simply trust in Christ, and believe in Him, then by His suffering we WERE redeemed, and are heirs unto eternal salvation! Before, many of us were simply ignorant. But now, we don't have any more excuses for being ignorant!

For anyone who thinks it is OK to consult with spirits of humans, here is a link to a website that offers many translations of various literary works including many bibles, mostly surrounding Deuteronomy 18:10-11. Heed the old testament warnings because the time is getting very short!

Deuteronomy 18 and Wicca/Witchcraft

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Martinizing2, I'm glad you asked! Here are many of the scriptures cited:

Ecclesiastes 8:8 [There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Psalms 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

When a person dies, their spirit returns to God who gave it (Ecc. 12:7; Matt. 27:50; John 19:30; Acts 7:59). The body without the spirit is dead (Jam. 2:26).

Without a living human body (either mortal or spiritual) to interact with, the human spirit is unconscious, in a state similar to sleep. This is why the Bible so often speaks of death being like sleep. At the time of resurrection, God sends the spirits of the dead back to inhabit their bodies once again (Eze. 37:10; Luke 8:55).

JOHN 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. (RSV)

LOTS of Bible verses warning about divination and "black arts" can be found here:
- Bible Verses About Divination

Nobody (other than Jesus, the Christ) was ever "perfect." But if we simply trust in Christ, and believe in Him, then by His suffering we WERE redeemed, and are heirs unto eternal salvation! Before, many of us were simply ignorant. But now, we don't have any more excuses for being ignorant!

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Body without spirit is dead .

Spirit returns to maker. I still can't see where it happens instantly.

This is still not answered as far as I can tell.



I am not able to spend much time here right now.
But I will check in as often as possuble

Martinizing2, I do mostly agree with your argument, all the while not believing in it. You are correct, I've never come across anywhere in the bible that says we instantly go to our eternity the second we die.
2 Corinthians 5:8 certainly implies it to be rather quick but does not out right say it. Just as the bible does not out right say that demons are really fallen angels... but it is implied. However, I think there is enough real life evidence to support that these lingering spirits are not human. I know of many many instances where these "human" spirits were challenged and their true nature shown. The bible tells us to test the spirits.

The problem I am seeing is that with the information from the OP which
Is actually very little taking place over several years and no investigation
At all into any event that I can see.

If you understand well the situation you are facing,
You won't send the entire fire department to quench a match.

Twitch , I am not making light of your situation , I am only saying that
I think more information like specifics concerning individual events would help.

I think too much "religion" is involved in making decisions about the "paranormal".
An objective look into what is taking place should be first.

Most paranormal activity is explained after investigation , not exorcised.

The main problem with investigations is that spirits don't operate on a schedule. They can give misleading outcomes as well.

I'm not one to just kick down the door and start pleading the blood of Jesus... but sometimes you have to take their word for it. There is someone I am dealing with right now, that even though I am fairly comfortable saying there is a spirit there... I am still throwing natural explanations out there for them to think about.

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The main problem with investigations is that spirits don't operate on a schedule. They can give misleading outcomes as well.

I'm not one to just kick down the door and start pleading the blood of Jesus...but sometimes you have to take their word for it. There is someone I am dealing with right now, that even though I am fairly comfortable saying there is a spirit there...I am still throwing natural explanations out there for them to think about.

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I do not doubt their word. I question the conclusions drawn from the events , not the events.

I have had people who were not witness to anything and possessed little understanding of what happened because they had preconceptions and/or beliefs that were seemingly contradicting to what happened,. so they tried to tell me what I "really experienced" . If only they could have been there I know the rationalization they drew would be considerably different.

Both you and infoguy are well versed and well meaning and your faith is obviously strong , but you draw conclusions too fast and with little in the way of facts.
And because the Bible does or does not specifically mention something does not make it fact or fiction. An open mind is not against any of the Lords teachings , in fact I think it helps to understand them.

Seek and ye shall find. It doesn't always run up and smack you in the face.

The people asking for help are usually already frightened and your responses are potentially the "straw that broke the camels back" in that it can drive them into a state of totally irrational fear or the hands of the "millions of psychics and investigators " bent on exorcising the money from their accounts, when they may not even have anything more dangerous happening than too much time watching the bullsh1t put on TV .

I think you both have a lot to offer and would be much more effective if it were offered differently.

The OP ends up with pages of religious arguments instead of having their issues addressed directly and some kind of helpful information disseminated on the situation to show that it can be dealt with no matter what it turns out to be, raccoons in the attic or all the way to a possession by 1/3 the hoards from hell.

But in a more discreet subtle approach.
And armed with as much information as possible.

This is my first suggestion list of things to consider and or do in cases like this.
Twitch , at least this part of this lengthy post (for which I will apologize cluttering up your thread) are things that may be of help and a place to start doing something.

Many things happen that cannot be explained.

Many more strange things happen that can be explained by logical, rational thought and investigation when at first
they seem too strange to be explained.

What appear to be shapes and figures can be reflected lights or dust in the air or any number of things.
Your brain has the power to "see" what is expected, real or not.

The fields electric currant emit can affect how we feel and make you uneasy.
Variation in the power supply to your house can cause appliances to do things they normally don't.

When a house is heated by the sun in the daytime then cools at night
the expansion and contraction of the framung, floors, walls are capable of making
an entire symphony of different noises that can be mistaken for thumps, footsteps
even voices, and laughter and moans.

When we get scared we perceive things differently than we do when we are not scared.
And strange unexplained things are scary.

I am not doubting your word about what you have experienced
But over 90% of the time explanitations are found in everyday things.
So it makes sense to start looking at these first.

But I believe in the paranormal.
I have experienced it.

But with the recent interest in "ghost hunters" and hauntings that proliferate the TV
now, have caused too many people to look for paranormal answers first , instead of
Looking at other possibilities first and foremost because 90% of the answers are there in
the rational reality of everyday life.

Keep a written record of the time, date, and what happened.

Try to get recordings, pictures, video, or any thing you can think of to maybe help.
If you can document anything like that it helps others to understand you.

Weather, the angle of the sun , reflections from passing cars, bikes, toys or sounds houses make
also plumbing can cause hundreds of different sounds . A lot of normal but not well understood
things like these can seem something they are not..