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  • Dec 2, 2010, 05:03 PM
    susus
    Sliding up a ramp
    A frictionless track is to be built as shown, with L= 4.6 m and H= 3.9 m. In order to get the cart to slide from the top to the end of the track in the minimum time, how long should the distance D be? Assume that the speed of the cart on the horizontal surface is the same as at the bottom of the ramp.
    http://newcapa2.cc.huji.ac.il/res/ms...ob05_ramp2.gif
  • Dec 3, 2010, 12:17 AM
    Unknown008

    Um... I don't see any track 'as shown' :(

    Can you give a description of it?
  • Dec 3, 2010, 04:22 AM
    susus
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    Here is it :
    http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3479/prob05ramp2.gif
  • Dec 3, 2010, 08:53 AM
    susus
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    Can u see the pivture now?
  • Dec 3, 2010, 10:12 AM
    Unknown008

    Yes, but I'm not sure how to solve this in a simple way. I got something but it seems too complicated. I'm still thinking about it.

    And one thing that bugs me is this line:
    "Assume that the speed of the cart on the horizontal surface is the same as at the bottom of the ramp. "

    What if D = 0?
    The speed at the bottom of the ramp will be maximum, but then, it will have to horizontal component so that the cart can move on the horizontal track...
  • Dec 3, 2010, 11:17 AM
    Unknown008

    Bah, anyway, this is what I did.

    The acceleration of the cart is

    Along the horizontal, this is:

    The horizontal speed at the bottom of the ramp is

    The time it takes to cover D is

    To cover the rest, it takes:



    Total time:



    This simplifies to:



    From the picture, we know that

    Therefore, and

    Hence,

    Using this in the previous equation;



    Now, to find the minimum time, we have to differentiate this using first the quotient rule, then the product rule.



    And solve for 0.













    Note: You get 69.966 only if you saved all the decimals



    Well, that's what I get... I know it's very long though...

    And I checked my derivative just in case I messed up something, but it is good:

    http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=min{y+%3D+\frac{(x+%2B+4.6)(\sqrt{15.21+%2B+x^2 })}{8.74x}}

    this site gives the local minimum at 4.12 m, just like I got.

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