Hello:

The Democrats are going to get their butts handed to them. It's a richly deserved loss. They suck. Oh, not because of what they DID, but because they never countered what the Republicans SAID they did. And the Republicans have been saying it over, and over, again and again - and not a whimper from the Democrats.. Oh, you hear sporadic defenses... But, early on the right wing DEFINED the left, took CONTROL of the conversation, and NEVER let it go.

Here's what the Republicans said and are STILL saying: Death panel, government takeover, bailouts, $500 billion CUT in medicare, the Louisiana purchase, the Corn Husker kickback, out of control spending, higher taxes, trillions added to the deficit, socialism... Those simple, short and oft repeated phrases resonated. I remember NOTHING about what the Democrats said. Oh, I'm sure they said something... I just don't remember it. And, if anybody would have, it would have been me.

Whether what they said is true or not, isn't the point of my post. The point is, the Republicans controlled the message, and the Democrats have been on defense ever since. That's why they're going to lose. They're going to lose big too. I say 50 house seats, and 8 senate seats.

The win will only be temporary, though. The TALK about cutting spending is only talk. When the nation finds out they've been hoodwinked by the Republicans AGAIN, it'll be time for Second Amendment remedies. What? You think only dingbat rightwingers think about revolution?

excon

And I think a lot of it is not really what the Dem promised last election, but what people assumed or felt they said.

You remember the people who believed they would get free rent, free health insurance and more, We say them all interviewed on TV. Welfare was going to take care of all of their needs. They are the ones that are not going to vote this time, if they did, the dems may still hold power.

But special interest groups keep the real health plan from passing, there was no control of health costs, and for those Americans with coverage, the cost went up about 30 or more precent. It may have went up anyway, but guess who gets the blame. Yep.

Now here in GA I will be voting Dem for Governor, merely the lesser of two evils but at least one I know personally

Got to think bigger than 50 seats. I'm going for 60-65 seats and 9 maybe 10 Senate seats (then the courting of the RINOs begins to see who this year's Jeffords is ).

Go DINO!

Republicans stick together, whether its good for the country, or not, its good for them. Democrats try to do the right thing, but fall short when it comes to fighting back, so I expect the republicans to be in a position to govern, and that's when we find out if they have learned their lessons, or NOT.

We the people do know there is another election in 2 years after this Tuesday, if they have NOT!!

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Republicans stick together, whether its good for the country, or not, its good for them.

We the people do know there is another election in 2 years after this Tuesday, if they have NOT!!!!!

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Hello again, tal:

You hit the nail on the head. The Republicans saw that when they compromised, and governance happened, they enabled the opposition.. It was a losing proposition for the party. This time they forwent good governance solely so they could gain power.

So, they'll have it. Let's see what they do with it. It is true. There's another election just down the road.

excon

The "unwashed masses" will be voting enmass opposing the out of control growth of government.

If the Republicans become accomodationists to a POTUS who is too stubborn to shift to the middle ;or if they return to the days of their own excesses then they will deserve to lose in 2 years.

I don't think this will happen . The difference this time is the citizen statespeople who are not from the professional cadre political class who will ride in with the tsunami. The Republican majority will need them if they have a chance of getting anything done over the obstructionist White House .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

If the Republicans become accomodationists to a POTUS who is too stubborn to shift to the middle

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Hello again, tom:

You're an example of the strategy I outlined, at work. Your party never did make a shift. You made NO accommodations, whatsoever. NONE! The only words out of your mouths, was NO. Yet, you have the temerity to demand that the president shifts...

The crazy thing, is that it's WORKING.

excon

I don't think telling LIES and saying NO to everything will impress the unwashed masses again.

But once you try to repeal "Obamacare", banking reform, and privatize social security, and add to the deficit by giving rich guys more tax relief, stop any more aid to the states, repeal a few constitutional amendments, and grow the government to watch rape and incest victims, all the prez, and the Dem's have to do is say NO, and look good doing it, the gig will be up. Another wave in 2012?? Another blue wave that is.

I doubt you see a red tsunami this year. Wave yes, tsunami, NO!!

The President has spent the last month futily trying to rally the base. If this wasn't going to be a tsunami then he would've been campaigning for the middle. The middle is going to entusiastically vote republican/conservative/tea party this year to a degree that I think will surpass 1994 . That year the Clintonoids couldn't get hillarycare passed and the public still punished them for their efforts.
This cycle the public clearly told the Dems not to pass death panel laden economy killing socialized medicine... and the Dummys did it anyway.
Have you not heard the names of the Dems in danger ? Even Barneys Frank is in danger of losing .Even Dingle (who between him and his old man has held his seat for 77 years) is going down .

1942 FDR finally faced the wrath of the American voters who were sick of the failures of the New Deal. During that cycle the Dems lost 71 seats (the Dems lost 52 in the 1994 Gingrich Revolution)FDR woud've gotten his butt kicked in the election if it wasn't for WWII .
I expect results somewhere between these 2 numbers. The people reject the Fabian socialism of the current regime and won't be fooled again with hopey changy platitudes from the community organizer .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

This cycle the public clearly told the Dems not to pass death panel laden economy killing socialized medicine ......

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Hello again, tom:

THAT is the narrative that I've been speaking about... However, it's MY view, that since Obama WON, the public told the Dems to do what they ran on... That included health care reform. The REPUBLICANS, on the other hand, kept quoting the "public" like you did, but it wasn't the public at all... It was the tea partiers... Frankly, I believe the election rather than the Republican spin...

The problem ISN'T health care. It's the CONVERSATION about health care that you, like a good Republican, keep repeating ad nauseum.. But, it's working... That's the crazy part.

excon

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Originally Posted by tomder55
This cycle the public clearly told the Dems not to pass death panel laden economy killing socialized medicine...

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Actually Tom, the one that were the maddest were the ones who wanted MORE in this bill, and we all know death panels was a fabricated spin of a few, and had NO basis in fact.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

You're an example of the strategy I outlined, at work. Your party never did make a shift. You made NO accommodations, whatsoever. NONE! The only words out of your mouths, was NO. Yet, you have the temerity to demand that the president shifts...

The crazy thing, is that it's WORKING.

Excon

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Funny thing is that I think the President has been the divider in chief (a view shared at the Washington Compost by liberal editorialists Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen) .There is no more straddling the fence with them. The left began cleansing their flock when they primaried Joe Lieberman and whipped the Blue Dogs into submission. The Republicans are late at the game but have been forced to do the same because what the President called 'reach out' was 'take it or leave it '.There was no compromise on his or Pelosi's part. It was and is still 'my way or the highway'.

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We write in sadness as traditional liberal Democrats who believe in inclusion. Like many Americans, we had hoped that Obama would maintain the spirit in which he campaigned. Instead, since taking office, he has pitted group against group for short-term political gain that is exacerbating the divisions in our country and weakening our national identity.The culture of attack politics and demonization risks compromising our ability to address our most important issues - and the stature of our nation's highest office...

With the country beset by economic and other problems, it is incendiary that the president is not offering a higher vision for the nation but has instead chosen a strategy of rank division. This is an attempt to distract from the perceived failures of his administration. On issue after issue this administration has acted in ways that are weakening the office of the president.

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Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen - Our divisive president, redux

He has promised us 'hand to hand conflict ' if they lose .He has told the Latinos to 'punish our enemies'. He told voters to confront their neighbors and 'get in their face'.

So yeah ;I say it is up to the President to change the tone. Clintoon understood that . I doubt this President does. That is why he is entrenching in the White House with an even more ideological circle of advisors.

This is what I think will happen. He will increasingly ignore the constitutional role of the Legislature and try to govern by executive decree. He will use the 4th branch of government ,the bureacracy to make regulatory fiat(especially the EPA which he will employ to get 'cap and tax' ). He will double down on his use of czars to bypass the advise and consent provisions of the constitution. He will make SCOTUS appointments in recess.

So this revolution you predict is already underway. I suspect you will not be joining up with the side in power because you don't believe in the concentration of power in the executive.

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Originally Posted by excon

The problem ISN'T health care. It's the CONVERSATION about health care that you, like a good Republican, keep repeating ad nauseum.. But, it's working... That's the crazy part.

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There have a number of Obamacare updates here that tell the story better. The "divider-in-chief" as tom most accurately called him, swore up and down that it would save us money, there would be no rationing, that our health care was between us and our doctor and that if we liked our insurance we could keep it. The facts betray him as the news keeps reporting and as people continue to discover what their health insurance is going to cost them next year.

BCBS of Texas has a 30 percent increase in store. I know this because I know the lady that runs their facility here. And like others who strayed from Obama's message, the regime has put the boot to their neck for not playing along.

Unemployment still hovers near 10 percent, Obama admits there never were any "shovel ready" jobs while planning another stimulus, all this after their much heralded "recovery summer."

Add the mass demonizing of the Tea Party for daring to exercise their rights and the left has lost this pretty much on their own. We're not going to be bullied by this regime any longer.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

swore up and down that it would save us money, there would be no rationing, that our health care was between us and our doctor and that if we liked our insurance we could keep it. The facts betray him as the news keeps reporting and as people continue to discover what their health insurance is going to cost them next year.

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Hello again, Steve:

As I mentioned in my OP, what you say IS the narrative. Like a good Republican, you keep repeating it over and over again. I like you, Steve, but you know NONE of what you said to be the truth. You're repeating what you read, or what you heard, or what they TOLD you to say. It's ALSO true, that what you said COULD be the truth, but nobody knows... It's going to take a few years to find out, because MOST of the law doesn't take effect for a while..

The crazy thing about it, your narrative is working...

The other narrative is that it's a great law, and is going to reduce the deficit by BILLIONS. However, I don't know anybody saying that... Do you? Stupid Democrats... If it's good enough to pass a law about, it's good enough to stand behind... But, they're chicken, and they're going to LOSE like the chickens they are.

excon

I'm pretty sure US politics were divisive way before Obama arrived on the scene. It's too bad you guys encourage it.

I didn't repeat any of these things, "Death panel, government takeover, bailouts, $500 billion CUT in medicare, the Louisiana purchase, the Corn Husker kickback, out of control spending, higher taxes, trillions added to the deficit, socialism."

I reported the facts.

I have yet to hear what the Republicans will actually DO.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I have yet to hear what the Republicans will actually DO.

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Case in point.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I have yet to hear what the Republicans will actually DO.

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Well that's the typical Democrat talking point . However for that to be true ,you either haven't paid attention or are willingly ignoring the many proposals published by the Republicans and the Tea party .

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I reported the facts.

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Hello again, Steve:

The facts cannot yet be known. But, one can speculate, and repeat the speculation. I know you believe them to be facts, because you TRUST whomever told them to you... Look, I'm the same as you... I believe Keith Olbermann.

But, I also know you didn't read 2400 pages of law. I know that even if you did, you wouldn't understand HALF of what's written. But, if you managed that task, you'd KNOW that most of the law doesn't take effect till 2014... So, what you state as "fact", CAN'T be fact, unless you can see into the future.

So, I say again, you're repeating the narrative - not because you're a disseminator of propaganda, but because you BELIEVE it. That's why I said it's WORKING... But, it's a NARRATIVE, Steve. It's designed to WIN elections, not disseminate the truth.

excon