Ask Me Help Desk - Need help... baker act psychiatric situation...

My family uses the whole psychiatric mental health thing to control me. I'm an adult, but they have done a doozy on me for many years--had me wrongly diagnosed... had me locked up-- they can do this because one is a doctor and it's their way of controlling me... in a pretty cruel way. It has been more than traumatic, horrific and really destroyed my life... They help support me so they think they can do this to me since I'm not 'fully' supporting myself and receiving help from them too. Since nothing major has happened in the past 5 years... I've let it all slide, though there is a lot that has happened... with other things that I have to try to take care of but its very confusing.. ie... social security and other things... im competent, hold a job in the teaching field--not a full time one but part-time.. yet they insist I need medication i.e. my mother does. Since my mother is a narcissist, for anyhting she does that's bad or wrong then it will be blamed on me. Recently, when I went away out of state, she went to my house and turned my AC up really high so that my cats were left in extreme heat... when I came back I was shocked.. and very upset she did this... she being a sociopath could care less that they were suffering in high temperatures for 6 days... she just wanted to justify her sick actions... and began telling me I was thinking abnormally and needed medication for being upset over my cats... she then began acting like she wanted to 'baker act me' which she had done in the past... I got scared and just told her I would go to a doctor and take medication, because she could easily go to a judge, make up things about me and have me baker acted locked up... then I would be screwed. I went to the doctor.. who I hadn't been to in many years... and asked her for a medication... she prescribed me one.. I didn't take it of course but sort of told my parent I took it a few times. She probably didn't believe me, but regardless claimed I needed to be on it.. everytime she loses an argument, ihave an opinion about anything she disagrees with, my mother will say I need medication, and she will go to huge lengths to exert her control, put me in fear intimidate me and try to have me put on dangerous neuroleptics. She is 59 and I'm 31.. my situation is ridiculous... she uses it to control me and has already ruined my life in many ways because of it.. I can't seem to take back my rights from this situation and person who is a blatant psychopath, liar... and the one who is bipolar and mentally ill but trying to project it onto her daughter. Recently, my family said they were going to renovate my house. I explained to them I didn't want it done, despite in the past pushing them to do it-- since it was supposed to be a benefit for me, not a situation that it is now. They finally agreed but then began to throw in 'conditions and stipulations." as the months went by, each 'condition' grew..first it was this then that...then they added more and more..they were getting very abusive and controlling...and I told them to just forget the renovations..one of the conditions was that I 'had" to be on medication... and that while they were renovating I would have to go 'live with them' and be 'monitored on medication." this of course freaked me out..and i didnt know what to do or how to react...They one day weeks later, had estimators come in...not telling me they were going to get it done soon...they didnt want to tell me the date or day of course being the narcissists they are so they could shock me with a day and just turn my life upside down..so a week later on a thursday they said to me "we're getting it done Monday" only giving me four days to leave...I freaked out and was upset...that they were giving me just four days...and their response was "WELL U SHOULD have known because we had estimators come in" that it was going to be soon...I told them to just not do the renovations as people were telling me not to go stay with them as they may try to baker act me...they said the conditions were there 'regardless' of the renovations now...and that they were getting 'strict'...and the renovations were going to be done. I feared the upcoming renovations and having to stay with them. I've been in fear ever since..they came in the day before startnig, and just began putting things in boxes..without even asking me...they rushed everything..were rude, abusive..my sister went through my computer and read things i wrote on a private blog, told my mother so then she began saying "you have a SICK MIND"...youre so SICK..and trying to say that i needed medication....(im a good person, literally a virgin never have done adrug drank or smoked..ive been a straight conservative pretty religious person all my life)....then i had to drive back to their place which was 2 hours away. I had to leave my pets there since I had no place else to take them. But being there, the place was very abusive..hostile environment...they were rude to me, threatening me...just mean...trying to provoke me..so they can then say "oh she's angry, she's this or that." When we finally got into an argument, i was threatened the police on and threatened to get kicked out.. finally my mother was going through my phone and noticed I changed her name in my phone from mother to something vulgar such as fat *****..and that triggered her...I explained to her that im an adult and I can label who i want the way i want on my phone...and she can't call me abnormal for that...she continued to call me abnormal for anything i thought or said...or for no reason at all...the phone thing upset her...then she began saying i need medication...and they began getting really nasty..again im 31...then my mother called my doctor, who broke hippa laws....when I told my doctor to not talk to my family about anything..and she called in my prescription...the prescription is for a very tiny dosage of a medicine..but then my mother went to the pharmacy to pick it up--all this was done...without my consent...and with the doctor breaking the hippa laws of privacy....then my mother began hounding me putting me in fear telling me i need to take the medication...her sick deranged form of controlling me...anytime she came around me she mentioned the medication...i was put in fear everytime...i also have no place else to go and no person to turn to...except my ex boyfriend sort of who is a blatant sociopath very sadistic and...very sick and cruel person...and who claims i could stay at his place if i was his sub and he could control, use me and make me do porn pictures.. and that he wanted to 'make money with me' and that if i stayed with him i would have to 'do as he said' so i declined..and was scared..though he kept telling me his place was open to me but then he began getting controlling abusive and just scary...i asked my mother when the renovations would be done..so i could move back into my place, but it seems that...they may have ulterior motives...to try to keep me with them as long as possible...to try to put me on medication or control me...i was in fear of them baker acting me..and was terrified...but mymother confessed to a relative who i called for help that they wouldn't baker act me, though she could be lying...instead of that, she is trying to monitor/control me in this environment and it is very scary...im more worried about the fact that...my mother wouldnt answer when the renovation was going to be done and instead said to me "how is the medication working for you".. I said what does medication have to do with the renovations? Legally, what are my rights and options here... im a tenant at will and pay rent to my parents... are they allowed to kick me out of my place to renovate it have me stay with them so they can force me to take medication in this cruel way... and not let me move back in... or do they have to give me my 30 days... to get out... do I have to take this abuse and can I refuse the medication? If I do so I fear she might say I can't move back in or try to baker act me... if I leave I'm scared she might say I can't move back in... I wanted some time to save up some money so I could move out on my own away from this hell nightmare but all of this happened suddenly and there wasn't much I could do to prepare... is it illegal for her to try to force me to take this medication... my doctor didn't really prescribe it.. I went to the doctor and asked her for it because my mother wanted me to take it at the time and I feared if I didn't she would baker act me... this is a very confusing and scary situation and I don't know my rights... I can't understand how people can force someone to take medication after making them leave their place of residence... and kind of trap them in this situation... its almost like being baker acted... I just need help or advice from anyone who might know what a person's rights are in this situation...

Hello n:

I tried to read your thing... It's just too long and includes lots of things that we don't need to know...

What I can tell you is this... You need some legal representation.

excon

I tried to read it as well. Improper punctuation and no paragraphs makes for a very hard read.

You are in Florida correct? Baker Act is primarily in Florida.

Why don't you try again. Start small with less info, we can build from there.

Interesting twist to the story...

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/psychi...ml#post2586211

Have you ever been diagnosed Biploar or Schizophrenic?

Since she thinks her family is out to get her I would say schizophrenic.

But if they are all out to get you, why do you not move away to another sate away from them.

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since she thinks her family is out to get her I would say schizophrenic.

But if they are all out to get you, why do you not move away to another sate away from them.

Chuck, did you read the other thread?

Yes, from a psychiatric standpoint I am also thinking schizophrenic.

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Originally Posted by J_9

Yes, from a psychiatric standpoint I am also thinking schizophrenic.

Hello again,

She may be schizophrenic. She may ALSO need legal representation. The two are NOT mutually exclusive.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

She may be BE schizophrenic. She may ALSO need legal representation. The two are NOT mutually exclusive.

excon

Actually they fall hand in hand. If the diagnoses is correct, a patient with this diagnosis is in dire need of an attorney.

But often the help they need is not the help they believe they need and will or often even feel their own attorney is out after them, so often the family has to get the court to appoint an attorney to represent them.

No I don't think my fmaily is 'out to get me'... my family has uesd the mental health system to abuse and control me, which occurs.. there is a huge difference... and for you to label that as schizophrenic is just like saying that becaues your psycho ex called the police on you for something you didn't do and had you sent to jail you think they are 'out to get you'... my family utilizes the mental health system to control/abuse me... if I disagere with my mother she claims I need 'medication'... because she did something cruel to my pets... instead of taking the blame for her actions she began to claim I need 'medication'... just a narcissist/sociopath who instead of taking responsibility wants to throw it on another person.. its kind of like saying... hey I just stole something... now you caught me so I'm going to say you're crazy.. and try to get you baker acted... its projection/projective identification and any mental health professoinal should understand that... while I'm staying with my family, my mother uses any feeling I have against her or any feeling period to claim I need medication... this is a form of control... it is cruel and a human and civil rights abuse... if people can build up a good enough case against someone else, then they can do this to them... anyone can 'baker act' another person... by calling the police, making up lies... this is how my mother did it the first time... she called and claimed I was suicidal because I told her she was a 'bad mother'... this triggered anger on the part of the 'narcissist' which is what she is... she is unpredictable unstable and erratic... one moment she is nice the next she is crazy mean telling me I need medication, trying to assert her control over me... that does not make me mentally ill it makes her that.. if a person is baker acted generally the cops will come in and ask them questions.. the reason I was baker acted the first time was because the police said to me... are you suicidal, I said no... they said have you thought about suicide... I said then I was 13 once maybe? Based on that they baker acted me... based on a lie my mother told them.. she is crazy... mentally unstable and projected it onto me... for no reason.. we got into an argument and I called her a bad mother and she then went to the cops and said I was suicidal... she had been trying to build a case up against me for many months.. talking to shrinks... wanting to get me baker acted.. I was a normal college student going to college... nothing weird about my situation or about me... any innocent person who is thrown into this horror of a system and any sane person would months tlikely go insane due to the nature of how it all works and people constantly trying to do this to them. If you were normal and everyone was trying to label you.. and there was nothing you could do about it.. that would drive anyone mad... there are lots of people who are wrongly and falsely thrown into the mental health system by abusive faimly members or others.. someone claimed the baker act was created so faimly members could steal their wealthy elderly relatives estates--i don't know if that is true or not... but it describes how the baker act is used to abuse people bymany abusive people out there... there are no laws to protect people... its easy to label anyone anything.. the worst part about it is it is taking away someone's credibility, rights, throwing them in a gutter and leaving them open for others to judge/abuse/accues them as well... and my family is OUT TO GET ME.. if you want to put it bluntly... people who think that if you disagree with them they can try to force medication on you... that is a cruel act... trying to trap a person in that system is only about control, abuse... unless a person really needs it then it's a different story...
Throwing someone in the mental health system destroys any and all credibility they have... anything they say think or do is judged or scrutinized while their abusers are allowed to yell scream act erratic be abusive and commit any acts they want... it is one of the ultimate and cruellest forms of control abuse and punishment towards innocent people or others... basically for my situation currently... again because my mother abused my pets... she turned it on me then began threatening to possibly baker act me-- out of fear I went to a doctor to get a medication... b/c she can go to a judge make up lies about me and have me 'ex parte court order baker acted'... which means no one will ask me any questions... they will come in and just take me away... they will have me labeled 'incompetent' so I can't refuse medication and will be medicated against my will and held in a facility.. the only thing they can get a person out is habeas corpus... their right to not be illegally detained in a facility against their will... but that can take weeks... so I chose to go to a doctor... now that I am forced to stay with my family during the time they are 'renovating' my place... I am being forced to take medication... why.. because I disagreed with my mother... and then she began her 'medication tirade'... so imagine every time you said... hey mom.. I don't agree with you... she says "well youre abnormal and u need to be on medication"... your mother probably can't do it to you but mine can since I currently live in a house they own and its being renovated... so there isn't tmuch I can do... so I'm trying to understand my rights... as far as whether its legal for them to renovate my place, without much notice, have me live with them so they can control/abuse/intimidate me... in this sick way... it doesn't seem legal to me... if someone is renovating my place of stay, I should have a safe place to stay without fear of intimidation or medication being forced on me by a sociopath... who gets upset if she doesn't get her way... what my family is doing are just general abusive behaviors except they've escalated the abuse to another level... as longas I am under their control they 'will' do this to me.. they have also done things t oget financial control over me etc.. and even forged checks in my name.. and deposited them in an account where I have no access to it.. so at this point I have to get a lawyer but I have no money or extra money to be able to do this... its scary... and there isn't tmuch a person can do... without any outside support... and their own 'family' doing these cruel things to them...

To add to tall this.. my mother who is not a doctor, has gone around telling people she is a 'doctor' just so she can have me baker acted... in fact she behaves like someone with munchausen syndrome... someone who wants to go around getting attention for her 'child' being 'sick' except in this case its not a child its an adult... and she began this early when I was in college... she told me to go to a shrink because taking medication will help me 'get much better grades.' I disagreed with her but went because she was belligerent, abusive, yelling/screaming... she was turning into a major bully... which was unlike her... since growing up as a teenager she was fairly normal, but in my 20's she just kind of changed and I think she was whacked out and began having empty nest syndrome. As a result of her mid life crisis/empty nest syndrome, the moment she had a chance to ruin my life, she took it. I had talked to a few other people woh said the same thing... they said "yeah my mother tried to tell me i need medication, but i just ignored her, and someone told me their parents did the same thing and tried to tell them they were bipolar and go to a shrink." it happens but in my case... the ***** succeeded in doing some really terrible things t ome.. and the worst part is--once you go to a shrink.. and even try medication... you are slowly building up a case/paper trail against yourself--that you as a young person have no clue of-- but who does---of course the person doing it ot you... psychiatry in many cases is about destroying innocent people's lives... and it's a sick industry and horrible for those who are just victims of it and wrongly labeled abused by it... the abusers.mostly the shrinks or abusive family members or 'partners' who do this to others... are never reprimanded... its how the faulty system works... many people are detained in facilities by family members or others.. for means of control... and it's a regular thing parents will do to their teenagers.. once you have been put in a facility... that's it... you have a trail then the abusive family member or person can do more and more ot you and build up a greater case against you... as they want.. and you as the person lose more credibility, literally your rights, and guess who has power/control over you... its a sad situation... for thoes who are victims of it... any psychopath or abuesr who is a dominant abusive personality and most of those people are in fact truly bipolar, can do this to their so-called 'loved ones'... easily because people will always believe the loud belligerent liar over the calm quiet nice... 'victim'.. who isn't loud and doesn't generally stand up for themselves in a harsh way... but in that system... ie the mental health system... u have no place to stand up for yourself... youre already labeled... so you could be a 'danger' a threat.. a this or who knows what... so nothing you say has any credence or credibility... you're basically 'fcked' to put it bluntly... and those who have done this to you now have ultimate control over you... what does a narcissist or sociopath want... of course control over their victims... so they win... unless you can get away far away permanently... but for some people it's not that easy... its even harder when you are broken down... terrorized literally put through torture/trauma beyond your worse nightmares.. and even medication is designed to numb peopl eturning them into complacent zombies.. being put through so much trauma/shock... you can't pick yourself up.. which is what the abusers want.. for you to be dependent on them, suffering, unable to move on-- they want to destroy you.. and that's wha tit does to people... destroy and ruin them... its a horrible sick system... its cruel and a major human rights abuse... so for the people sitting around callously making lame and rude blanket statements--which you can't expect anything more or less of... of course... that's what people do.. you need to get a clue and stop perpetuating this sick cycle of abuse... that is so present in society today... not just in this system but everywhere in society... where people who are abusers/bullies get away with anything they want... its a sick and sad shame... but its so common and its just what people do these days...

ngrrt,

Your posts are EXTREMELY hard to read. They are too long and lack punctuation and paragraphs. This is not a blog and very few people will chime in if you continue to post in this manner.

Please, Please, PLEASE, slow down, don't post such long posts. Just a few things at a time so that we can wrap our heads around your situation.

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j-9 i write my posts in clear plain english....they are quite comprehensible for any intelligent person t oread...and my situation is complex...

I understand your situation is quite complex and I am an intelligent person.

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it's probably beyond your understanding

It's not beyond my understanding, my background is in psychology and law. It's just not where I am practicing now.

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telling people their posts are too long is pointless and a waste of time...and serves no purpose...

I'm only trying to help you out. You are new here and from experience I can tell you that few people will read these blogs such as they are.

Well now to update my situation.. my mother did not force me to take medication in front of her... instead she changed her mind and began accusing me of leaving cat food on my sister's bed-- which made no sense.. and she locked my sister's bedroom door claiming I left cat food there--she sounds whacked to me and the things she's saying are out there and make no sense... and my mother is starting to accuse me of things that I'm not doing such as 'visiting my ex boyfriend who was a sociopath, jerk who did some terrible things to me... she then began accusing me of, having a 'bad lifestyle' and that she and my dad didn't approve of my 'lfiestyle'.. which is odd because I'm a virgin who has never had a real boyfriend never been married... and somehow I now have some kind of 'lifestyle' which makes no sense... she also claimed that I wanted to leave out of town tonight, when I explained to her I never said that... so my mother is starting on a tirade of false accusations which make no sense... she also claimed she 'knew' I wasn't taking the medication, which I did take a few times, and she claims she knows I 'saw my ex boyfriend' or have seen him a few times... im 31 years old... and seemingly have no rights when it comes to this narcissist and person who seems to aloms thave some form of dementia or is making up lies about me constantly... the medication thing will begin again soon... since the false accusations will end up going away but now I'm accused of having a bad lifestyle... I have no idea what she is talking about and its messed up... I can't get a hotel room in another city or I'm accused of God knows what... im not sure what is wrong with her or why she is saying these things but I'm constantly telling her... to stop saying them becaues they aren't true... then she says "im not STUPID...i know what you're doing...or what's going on".. she sounds not only paranoid but something odd is going on or she's just trying to make me look bad... I do fear they might try to stop me from moving back to my place... now with all these odd accusations they have about my so-called 'lifestyle'... and who knows what... they might try to make up about me... its just really scary and messed up...

You absolutely need an attorney. Unfortunately your problems run way too deep for us to help here as we do not have any certified (I don't think) attorneys in this field as members of this site.

If your mother claims to be a doctor that needs to be addressed. If you are being baker acted improperly that needs to be addressed legally.

You need an attorney to help sort out this mess.

If you are able to hold down a job as a teacher you should be making enough money so you do not need anyone else's financial help to rent an apartment or buy your food. If you don't have a full time job and can qualify for disabiilty payments from Social Security because you cannot hold a permanent job you should receive enough money every month to live on your own financially without anyone else's help.

This is not a blog. We can only keep advising you to see an attorney or to file for Disability. We can't help you otherwise from here.

my current situation has progressively gotten worse, as I feared it would... my cousin's husband who I spoke to about my situation, who is also acting kind of weird and dominating towards me, ended up speaking to my parents about medication.. he was helpful but also very rude and weird... and I think he was trying to take advantage of my 'vulnerability' as everyone else does... I also think he is probably talking to my mother the moment after he talks to me, as others have said he most likely is... I think this triggered them to probably feel more threatened, and then my father gave me a letter stating that in order to move back into my house, there are all these 'conditions' involved... one of them is that I have to take medication daily and pay a lot more for rent and additional bills... see a psychiatrist, go to a counselor... even worse, I had trust fund checks.. that my parents sold that were in my name.. b/c of these trust fund checks, social security claimed that I got over paid for two years, even though I had no knowledge of the funds and only my dad did and I had no access/knowledge to them... regardless.. SS penalized me and I owed them 12,000 in debt... when my paernts sold the checks, they were in my name yet my mother took them and deposited them into my social security trust bank account so I have no access to them... she even said "im going to make sure u dont get a DIME of that money"...
my parents have money and they're using this to control me and make sure I have no access to even my own finances... worse she had to have forged the checks to have them deposited... and she doesn't care that she did that... is this not illegal? I'm scared to go to the bank becaes I'm scared they, or my mother might get caught, then me as the victim right now will have no leeway... anything I say my parents use against me. They've already accused me of having a bad lifestyle and I have no clue what they are talking about. While staying with them they have been only intimidating, abusive threatening... they won't even give me money out of my own account so I can get a weekly hotel... and get away from them temporarily. Then my mother said "oh did u hear, the renovations are going to take 'longer' because they brought the wrong tiles.. so an extra week from now? Of course that would happen I would assume...my dad is being a major jerk bully...they all are...now in order to move back into a place ive been at for 5 years, I have to agree to 'taking medication daily"... if I paying all my bills why would they even throw in that stipulation... my parents are also claiming they know I'm talking to my ex and that I've seen him.. my mother regularly will go through my phone if it's left unattended and I hve to be worried about that all the time... then accuse me ofthings... the scary thing is.. my mother somehow has neighbors watching me as once my ex came to my place long ago and she called me telling me "he needs to GET out of your place" and I asked her how she knew he was even there... she said she was around the corner but she wasn't.. she lives 2 hrs away.. so possibly has neighbors watching or a camera... now she claims she "knows" for a fact I've seen him and I wonder how and wonder if she has a PI following me... its just scary because I don't know how my parents know things I'm doing, and somehow even something she told my cousin was odd and I was like.. how did she know this... My ex is trying to use me for 'porn or wanting to pimp me out" and just abuse me....though I need a place to stay and he would never let me stay with him (even just a night)...unless he says I do 'porn' for him which i refuse...the only guy who was sort of helping me out, some lame talent agent...or wannabe agent is now claiming that when he sees me he wants to 'give me a massage and bath" which is disgusting and I can't meet with him now though he offered help to go with me to a lawyer but he's just another predator wanting sex... I tried calling the police for advice but no one helped and they said I should get a lawyer... I try calling women's shelters for legal advice and they are rude to me. I missed asocial security appt I had which was today which I didn't know about because all my paperwork is in my car since all my things are scattered... and I'm trying to be my own payee... and its like a huge ordeal and process which just won't happen... every SS person I talk to is a rude black woman who is yelling at me or treating me with disrespect and I have to tell them I need someone who is civil or friendly and they get ruder and I have to hang up on them... no one will help me out and I feel so stuck and confused... my parents have dug a hole so deep I feel like or need to move to another country to get away from this... I'm in huge debt which is my dad's fault and he should be paying that 12,000... the money I got in trust funds which caused the debt, my mother will not let me have and keeps spending it on odd things... and making sure I have no access to it--she forged checks to get it deposited... I can't move back into my own place without signing a bogus contract... which probably isn't legally binding because of ambiguous stipulations... I'm being intimidated/coerced here.. threatened constantly insulted put down or verbally abused... my parents may stll baker act me... everyone who pretends to be helping me out is either on 'their side' or is trying to use me in some disgusting horrific sexual way or for their own benefit, especially my sadistic ex who is using this to just really kick me while I'm down... and try to bring himself up... misery loves company and my miserable family who are depressed miserable people several on antidepressants are trying to destroy my life to make themselves feel better... and succeeding at it... I can't afford a lawyer and everyone I've called has stated its 200.00 for a 'consultation'... I don't have the money to pay for sudden bills and have no control over my own SS money... or trust fund money.. and every time I attempt to gain control... it won't happen or more hell happens for me... my doctor broke hippa laws and will listen to my parents and even talk to them.. im having severe health problems due to non-stop hell and stress... and a possible ulcer or ovarian problems... I haveno one on my side and no one to talk to and I'm the 'mental patient' so no one will help me or listen to me... people already trreat me like dirt because I'm super beautiful... and hate me instantly... and no one will help me out or men just try to use me to get sex off and bail though I'm a virgin... this isn't me whining or exaggerating... im in a serious situation and idont know what to do.. and anythng I try todo... literally... turns to hell and more bad happens to me... im just scared... there have to advocates.. someone out there who can help someone in my situation...

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there have to advocates..someone out there who can help someone in my situation.....

Hello again, n:

I could help you a LOT, but you don't listen to my advice. Why should I give you more?

excon

I missed it if you said why not, so I apologize for that, but why aren't you taking the prescribed medication?

Much of what you've written is either difficult to read and understand or just doesn't make sense. For instance, "she forged checks to get it deposited." No one needs to "forge" a check to get it deposited. Anyone can deposit a check into any account. Endorsement is not needed.

It sounds like your parents are adding to a trust fund for you to use once you're mentally stable. Taking the meds will cause that to happen.