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  • Oct 13, 2010, 12:58 PM
    beautyrains
    Theft under 5000
    I just stole about maybe 200 from a depeartment store

    They said ill get a noticed in the mail with my fine, will I know have a crimanl recorded?

    What's going to happen ?
    Im scared that I will ill have to go to court and my father will no of this, he's a very strict man with my money.
    Does anyone have any suggestions or someone that can talk me thought this please

    I live in toronto, ontario

    I work at the airport will I be denayed access to the airport come renewal time for my pass.. someone please help?
  • Oct 13, 2010, 01:03 PM
    tickle

    Of course your parents are going to find out about the theft. You will have to go to court. He will have to be even stricter with your money after this ? You will have to wait until you get the letter, but I doubt if you will have a criminal record if this is your first offence.

    Tick
  • Oct 13, 2010, 01:06 PM
    JudyKayTee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by beautyrains View Post
    i just stole about maybe 200 from a depeartment store

    they said ill get a noticed in the mail with my fine, will i know have a crimanl recorded?

    whats going to happen ?
    Im scared that i will ill have to go to court and my father will no of this, hes a very strict man with my money.
    Does anyone have any suggestions or someone that can talk me thought this please

    i live in toronto, ontario

    i work at the airport will i be denayed access to the airport come renewl time for my pass..someone please help?


    The notice you will get (I believe) is a notice from the Court, scheduling your appearance. There is a possibility it will be from the store, demanding that you pay them a sum of money for their time and effort even if the merchandise was returned to them. I believe it will come from the Court, though.

    Yes, you will have a criminal record BUT there is a possibility you could get into the diversion program. I'm going to post something I wrote about Canadian diversion

    As far as the airport - if you have some sort of clearance, yes, a criminal charge could cause you to lose your job. It could also keep you from traveling to the US.

    “Ontario diversion program guidelines vary from region to region, courthouse to Courthouse. Eligibility for such a program is ALWAYS determined by the Crown Attorney’s office. There are no exceptions. You are not required to have legal counsel in order to apply.

    If the offense - theft - is not major (property was recovered, not a large amount, not a repeat offender) the Crown Attorney MAY approve eligibility into the diversion program prior to the Court appearance. If there are prior dealings with the Police - and charges do not have to be placed, any prior dealings of a negative nature - the person will most likely not be eligible for the diversion program.

    As part of the diversion program the eligible person will have to agree to complete certain tasks or obligations - perhaps watch a video, make a donation or volunteer time to a not-for-profit, write a paper on the crime.

    When the tasks/obligations have been competed to the satisfaction of the Crown’s Attorney he/she will recommend to the Judge that the criminal charge (usually, theft) be withdrawn.

    Each courthouse in Ontario has a different diversion program and eligibility requirements differ from region to region. Eligibility for the diversion program is always determined by the Crown Attorney's office. If they deem a theft offence to be of a minor nature (usually a small quantity of merchandise was taken and the property was recovered), the Crown may pre-approve eligibility into the diversion program. A person will not generally be eligible for diversion if they have had prior dealings with the police (even if it did not result in a criminal charge being laid). Once in the diversion program, the eligible candidate may be asked to complete one of a number of different tasks. In some jurisdictions, a person charged with theft may be required to watch a video on shoplifting. In other jurisdictions they may be required to make a donation to charity or complete a minimum number of community service hours - or both. Regardless of the requirements, the end result is usually the same. Once the diversion program has been completed to the satisfaction of the Crown Attorney, the Crown will recommend to the court that the criminal charge of theft be withdrawn against the accused person. This will result in the accused person maintaining a clean record (assuming they didn't have a prior criminal record).

    If a person is not pre-screened as eligible for the diversion program, a lawyer may be able to convince a Crown Attorney to reconsider their decision.”
  • Oct 13, 2010, 07:08 PM
    beautyrains
    They dident say anything about court.. iam so scared and worried...

    My pass doesn't expire for another two years...

  • Oct 13, 2010, 07:20 PM
    Fr_Chuck

    If the airport does routine criminal history checks, most have to do annual checks, many do 6 month checks as part off policy. Only you and your company would know their policy.


    But beyond that, I would love to do more, but Judy covered it very well
  • Oct 13, 2010, 07:24 PM
    beautyrains
    I don't understand a word she said I am not in to whole law term..

  • Oct 13, 2010, 07:30 PM
    beautyrains
    Comment on beautyrains's post
    p.s my empoyer I don't think does monthly criminal c hecks I work fro a small owned biz company, a little jewlary cart. This is my frist every offence and a stupid act of mine. I am really really scared, I don't have any money to go to court orgetalawe
  • Oct 13, 2010, 07:51 PM
    Fr_Chuck

    Ok, a cart vendor, most likely not even background unless you are in a secure area. But if you were in the flight line, baggage area and so on, there is much higher security ( well suppose to be, that is another story)

    But yes, they will send a letter to your home, normally with a date and time to appear, they will expect or want at least one parent to be with you.

    At the first court date, you can ask for a court appointed attorney, and/or plead not guilty. Let the attorney see if they can get you into a diversion program, that way the record will not show up after probation except on some specific government checks.
  • Oct 14, 2010, 07:53 AM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by beautyrains View Post
    i dont understand a word she said iam not in to whole law term..

    You don't have to know law to read slowly. What JKT posted is very clear.
  • Oct 14, 2010, 10:03 AM
    JudyKayTee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by beautyrains View Post
    i dont understand a word she said iam not in to whole law term..


    Either read it again - and it's as simple as I can make it - or don't read it, go to Court without the knowledge and face jail time and/or a permanent record.

    Those are you two choices.

    The third choice is paying an Attorney for a consultation.

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