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Tea Party continues to shock conventional wisdom

In NY a tea party candidate Carl Paladino whupped perenial GOP loser (and favorite sacrificial lamb offered up by the lame party machine) Rick Lazio.

What has everyone shook up in both parties however was the results of the Delaware primary, where long time GOP(from the RINO wing) operative Mike Castle got trounced by TP Express candidate Christine O'Donnell. In this case the national GOP went on the attack whipping up the punditry class (even some FOX pundits ) and the machine to do anything possible to stop this "unelectable" candidate.

The Guardian prognosticators are stupified . (their article focuses on masturbation so it is too stupid to take seriously)
Christine O'Donnell brings unlikely Tea Party triumph to Delaware | World news | guardian.co.uk

And the Compost sees the silver lining in this apparent foot shooting exercise by the GOP voters.

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Castle was the heavy favorite to win in November and take the seat Biden held for three decades before he resigned to become President Obama's vice president. Polls showed Castle leading Democrat Chris Coons, the New Castle County executive, and many Democrats considered the seat virtually gone.

Now those calculations are out the window, as exuberant Democrats predicted they would hold the seat and the GOP establishment in Washington weighed whether to shift its resources to other more attractive contests. A senior Republican, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to offer a candid view, said the national committee would “walk” out of the Delaware race.

washingtonpost.com

The conventional wisdom was clearly wrong despite a determined effort to make it a self fulfilling prophesy . Why should we believe conventional wisdom now ?

I find it comical anyway that the GOP thinks that Castle was so important to them. The guy has a recent history of crossing the aisle and voting for the seminal issues the Democrats champion. Do they really think adding another Collins ,Snowe job ,or Scott Brown will help them accomplish their policy goals ?
But the question remains... Why should I believe the punditry on both sides who say O'Donnell is unelectable when they have underestimated the Tea Party all year ?

Hello tom:

Good question. I answered it over there... What are we going to do here?

excon

The standard bearer in 2012 will be a small government Tea Party type candidate .The Republican party doesn't understand it yet ,but they will either change or perish.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The standard bearer in 2012 will be a small government Tea Party type candidate .

Hello again, tom:

Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin. If the Democrats don't redefine themselves like the Tea Party/Republicans are doing, she's going to WIN.

excon

Has anyone who has ever won based on a small government mandate ever come through and reduced the size of the government?

Ultimately an irrelevant question since everyone who has run in the past was from the established parties.

So the only way it could happen is from a third party? That basically means never. :)

I can't expect it overnight . There is a 78 year trend that needs reversing .

Reagan ran an insurgency campaign in the Republican party and got a lot of his polices adopted. Unfortunately he never held a majority of Congress .

Don't worry I agree with you, a smaller government is better but a change/reform in the way corporations are allowed to "sponsor" your government would be a better initial change.

It's that chicken or egg question again.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I can't expect it overnight . There is a 78 year trend that needs reversing .

Hello again, tom:

The problem is, you only support a smaller government on the SOCIAL side. You're just FINE and DANDY with the ginormous NSA spying apparatus and a huge military for foreign adventures. You're cool with being the LARGEST jailer in the world, and you support a HUGE police force monitoring the bedrooms of America - got to make SURE the ladies don't have an abortion.

That ain't small government in my book.

excon

The founders who wanted a small military watched the White House burn to the ground.

Yea, we're sorry about that. :D

Lol

One thing I'm sure our countries have in common is that we conquered a continent by force.

Well it was mostly the British since Canada wasn't a country yet but it was retribution for pillaging the outpost that became Toronto. Can you go back now and raze Toronto please?

Uhh no... we invaded Canada twice and got our butts whipped . I do like Quebec City however if you're offering up your cities. I offer you Buffalo in exchange.

No deal. I'll consider Stowe, Vermont.

Beautiful town . I'd be tempted to make the exchange if I could get a dependable supply of Sortilege . No one here sells it so I make a poor imitation.

Anyway ;listening to Paladino ,I take back the offer for Buffalo . The city is salvagable. Paladino has a bit of Chris Christe in him.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The standard bearer in 2012 will be a small government Tea Party type candidate .The Republican party doesn't understand it yet ,but they will either change or perish.

I think the standard bearer is already Chris Christie.