For 13 years.. ive only been through non-stop hell/bad luck.. things I can't describe... everyday is like 'horror'... this isn't one or two things.. this is like everything going wrong all the time... nothing works out---bad things happen to you-- people many have gone out of their way to destroy your life.. do unspeakable things to you... make suer they take away your 'power/control' major theme going on... anything you join you get kicked out of/banned... people outcast you, run away from you... treat you like dirt... people feel it's their right to treat you like dirt... and if you object to the abuse, they abuse you more... this happens on a whole scale---majority such as 96%... the intricate things that happen to you are so complex and interwoven and it seems to delve into this labyrinth of only more crap... like an eternal black hole of hell with no resolution... if you try to resolve the situations---its only more hell for you and more bad happening to you... its like stirring up the 'situation'... everything goes wrong--anything you try to do 10 things happen to stop you from doing it... people treat you badly and make fun of you... you go through so much trauma your body/soul can't deal with it.. anymore... so its manifesting into possible cancer... you have no frineds--though you are smart, funny, cool, attractive... all people do is run away from you, act crazy do crazy things... ive had people throw things at me, food receipts--in various situations... people look at you, freak out... act crazy... people's behavior/reactions to you is so abnormal and insane you can't even understand... why... or how but they react in the same way... you can't get a boyfriend... no one will date or be with you despite the fact that you are very attractive... all people do is insult you put you down try to use you and bail... or lie/manipulate... your life is destroyed over and over again... and you go through non-stop hell suffering pain torture... people have done tonsof black magic on you.. even voodoo and you have suffered badly... excruciating pain... in every aspect... people have come into your life to ptu you through extreme suffering... beyond your means... not stopped and before they leave torture you to the worst extremes then blame it all on you... people project all their problems/issues onto you... then say "that's what u are" then blame it on you... youre like a mirror for everyone else... any human you interact with puts you down in some form, insults/abuses you and this doesn't stop... people literally persceute you-- and most of the time its to get 'attention' and if they get it from you... they laugh and freak out... people think abusing you is 'ok'... and fun... if you try to get help from others during severe crisis... all they do is put you down... insult you... minizmie your severe situation... no one will even be around you and you are alone 24/7... you have to trick people into being around you as they act scared of you-- you are a normal nice cute girl... but all people do is find some fault with you and insult you... find a reasno to make you feel bad about yourself... there is so much more... its worse than a curse... and the more you try to pray to God to get help, the worse it gets... there is no ending to it... and more people coming along to abuse/torment you then leave... while they live normal lives and you just 'suffer'... in loneliness isolation and abuse... you always meet the 'wrong people' 24/7... nothing positive happens to you and people only throw extreme negativity hatred anger bitterness your way then project it onto you and tell you you are what they aer... all people do is see you, make some bizarre false statement about you--when its about them... insult you.. and you have to say --no that's not true... thats not me that's you... its like a bad nightmare... your life is like a nightmare... and anyone you encoutner is angry mean bitter or yells at you.. for the most part... crazy bizarre intricate extreme things happen to you--to where you can write paragraphs upon paragraphs of 50 things that happened in one day... that are so intense and extreme... and you have to keep going through that 'hellish' scenario over and over again like true 'hell' but can't stop it... and it keeps coming at you from all directions... you have 100's of terrible bizarre stories... of what you've had to suffer through with no help or healing... only more abuse from cruel people... you have been through so much trauma non-stop... with nothing normal... your soul is dead.. and you keep going through more and it keeps bouncing back but then you go into severe crisis and no one helps you-- all you get is more negativity cruelty and abuse from people while trying ot get help... your family has dsetroyed your life-- some people in it are control freaks and won't stop... you have no one to turn to... to get out of it you have to go intricately through the legal system and hire lawyers and its so complicated you can't even go there... and the harder you try to get help---the more you can't get it and more bad things keep happening to you non-stop... the more you try to solve something.. the harder it gets and goes into this black hole of nothingness and nothing ever gets resolved... just gets worse and worse... and you have to give up trying... people go out of their way to outcast you--people have strong reactions to you and do anythign to treat you really badly or abuse/mistreat you... you can't make any friends because people refuse to accept or like you, despite the fact that you are attractive nice sweet fun friendly... some people are obsessed with destroying you... and many just can't be around you... and reject you right away or are really rude to you and treat you lesser than them... some of it can be jealously, but not to this extent... what I've experienced is extreme... and non-stop 24/7... if you go to people for help they try to put you down too, mess with your head, make you feel bad about yuorself, and abuse you more or even do malicious things to you-- not everyone but most... if you try to tell people they can't treat you this way, they do it harder, and fight you more... showing you that they dominate you and you have no power---this has happened to me over and over again non-stop... along with so many other things.. I can't even get into... please don't say 'curses don't exist, its in your head, its something you're doing etc".. im asking people... who are maybe healers who know about this... how can a curse be this severe... and how can a person get rid of it or stop it... this is something so extreme ic ant even begin to describe and yet there seems to be no way to get rid of it... the more you try the worse it gets... and it is not 'life' it is only horror...

To add to this too--there is no fun, no normal life.. u can't go places have fun hang out with people-- they all react badly negatively to you and treat u badly... ignore or insult you... everyone does... u can't socially interact with people--they find some fault with you... put you down and treat you like dirt... u can't make friends... u can't just hang out and have a fun relaxing time... everyone around you abuses or puts u down in some form or makes u feel like u did something wrong just for existing... you are eternally alone dealing with various people abusing you with no one to turn to-- and its like a bad movie where everyone you turn to for help, acts the exact asme way--there are patterns/parallels... when one pattern occurs it keeps repeating and there is almost no way of stopping it... especially if its negative... then it just escalates into more abuse/negativity... every situation u go into turns into a traumatic event because of something bizarre ro a series of events that you weren't expecting yet keep occurring in different forms... there aer 'major' people in your life who have literally gone out of their way to destroy you control you and who don't stop and who have succeeded... 'evil' seems to win all the time and you lose... youre stuck in a spiritual warfare too... and its really messed up... its worse than a curse and it never ends.. it just gets worse... and worse... then less worse... then stays at this one level of intense suffering... with tons of bad things then just keeps getting worse... or staying at that terrible level... what u think/project either manifests or comes back at you... if you wish for something it might come to you in some warped form... youre constantly being 'punished/abusde' despite the fact that uve been a good person your whole life... any metaphysical person know how to get rid of something like this... a curse, some spiritual awakening vortex, a spiritual war going on... so many things all at once...

You said that this started 13 years ago. At that time was there a major change or "event" that took place that may be where the origin of this is likely to be found?

Maybe a break up , a death of someone significant ?

Were you put at odds with anyone who may carry a grudge or harbor bad feelings?

A curse is a mental implant that comes from somewhere outside you. But once you feel it and "accept" it , as you would have to do for it to work, the damage comes from within.

The "curse" will begin to distort your perception and normal things will start to appear different, misshapen , distorted.
And if unchecked the effects will snowball and grow into a series of disasters as you seem to be experiencing.

It can be stopped.
But first you must find the start, and origin.
That is why I asked you those questions.

Let's start there and find what we need to , then we can move on to start reversing the effects and get your life onto a better path.

It may require other people be involved, and you may be required to do things you may not like or understand.

It will not be easy or fast, but it can be stopped.

I will be waiting to hear from you. I wish you well

Hey martinizing2--thanks so much for your help/input... do you have an email so we can talk about this, or should I send you mine somehow? I can answer some of these questions... or I can email you personally and give you my input on what you said...
What you said sounds really interesting... of course I have no clue how to reverse anything but you sound like you do... and other things you stated are true as well... ie it being a mental implant that seems to grow... I'll check your profile to see if I can send you a message... and if not then respond here...
Thanks :)


Is it possible for me to leave my email address here.. so you can email me ?

We keep the responses in the forums so others with similar problems can refer to them.
Also we get input from other members that can be quite valuable.

If any information may compromise your privacy or the like we can use the P M on this site.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Oh OK... how do you use the pm?

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oh ok...how do you use the pm?

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What is it you need to send privately ? That is all the pm is for.

If it is part of the question you have we deal with those here.

No one knows your identity unless you used the same username in another forum .
In which case pm is in order. And I can offer suggestions on how to fix this.

To use it. Go to your profile page.
On the left side are the functions and options
Find "messages"
Then you'll see the send new, that is the one. Put in the username you want it to go to.
Fill in what you want to send.

Click on submit message.

Hi, alisen998!

Please also realize that if things continue outside of the thread, that it's really not fair to others who have insight to offer on the thread because of not knowing what information has been exchanged outside of the thread.

In essence, taking things off a thread helps to contribute in a negative way to the validity and integrity of a thread.

Thanks!

Whether you view this as a curse, a run of bad luck, or just being surrounded by the wrong people, the way to protect yourself is to have healthy boundaries.

Here's something to read to start with:

Building Healthy Boundaries | LIVESTRONG.COM

There's lots more articles and books out there that you can read.

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Whether you view this as a curse, a run of bad luck, or just being surrounded by the wrong people, the way to protect yourself is to have healthy boundaries.

Here's something to read to start with:

Building Healthy Boundaries | LIVESTRONG.COM

There's lots more articles and books out there that you can read.

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These are excellent , I was going to be going that direction shortly. I believe we need to define some terms to start.

I think your pretty lucky to be able to verbalize and express yourself so completely. Another stroke of good luck was finding this forum to express yourself and find solutions. I have only found this site a week ago and its of my opinion that most of the answers to questions asked, are answered with honesty and integrity. It's easy to focus on the negative, it takes effort to stay optimistic, at least that's how it is for me.

Hi

Well if I'm going to be answering specific questions and going into some things.. I'd rather do it in private message... but generalized answers ro other things... I don't mind talking abuot here... I don't want to go into details because someone out there may read the story and know it's me... and getting too personal in a public forum is just leaving yousrelf open to too many people... it has nothing to do with what's being discussed and other people responding... thats like saying if I met someone who's interested in giving me some advice... on a more personal basis... that would be unfair to the thread, which is so untrue... I can't dsecribe some personal scenarios publicly... its just too risky for lots of reasons... but can give general ideas...
The book on healthy boundaries is a good idea...
I don't know how these forums work but taking things off a thread, how would that contribute to the lack of validity of a thread...

I always believed curses manifested were 'assigned demons' or that's what I've heard... not just a source that was implanted to cause thoughtforms or negative patterns to grow and recreate various scenarios over and over again... ro that there were negative energies involved maybe in various types of curses... or situations... I don't know really... or if it differs for every situation and can be different things for different ones...
Focusing on the positive is good... it can combat negativity for sure... it dosen't really eliminate though the various scenarios or circumstances, but on a whole, it may be able to help... ive never really witnessed it help me but it might be something that takes time... and lots of conditioning... to cause a positive otucome or eradicate negativity... I don't think though that negativity/curses or that extreme type is someone thinking negatively, its negativity manifesting and the person just in crisis from having to suffer it... unfortunately people keep claiming that people think negative when in reality it's that negative occurs and people are just observing and recording especially when its so extreme... there is a snowball effect of negativity going on designed to destroy a person... but it is true that positivity can help combat it... but its not that easy for someone to be that way--or use that I think when they're dealing with so much and are so weak from it...

This is a public forum Alien, getting answers, many answers, and opinions is the way it works.

You are an extremely negative sounding person. Everything is done TO you, and you are an innocent bystander, sucking up all the crap that is coming your way. Nobody likes you, people run away, ridicule you, and you did not once identify where you could be contributing to your own misery.

Have you stopped to think about how much of your own power you give away by choosing to live a life in which you blame everybody else for your problems?

I'm sure you have 'proof' that you were treated badly. Everybody gets a good dose of that during their lifetimes, there is no avoiding it. You could probably write great detail of how you have been put down, maligned, disrespected, and left cold. Even to the point of believing that you have a curse on you. (In other words you are helpless to stop it).

You've posted a good post, and I'm sure you could receive some good advice here, but if you choose to pick how much, or how little you want, then what's the point.

Hi "jake" no people like you are negative... who try to say that knid of nonsense to others... I would say that people being negative to an individual while they haven't even interacted with them... isnt the individual's problem, it's the person's problem... now you and all the other negative people are trying to fight with regards to how much info should be posted on a forum and trying to determine how someone is based on their decision to not provide info they don't want to for personal reasons... that is so absurd... thats being dictatorial in a forum setting and is indicative of jerks on powertrips... youre the one who need help and there are many victims out there on this planet who have really done nothing wrong... and are treated badly-- my situation is 'unique' I think and a little extreme... but I'm trying to understand what a reason could be... everyone might be 'mistreated' in life but people aren't mistreated to a point of excessive persecution and bizarre scenarios... the way I've experienced... here come the fight police... and the gang/horde of bullies ready to tell people how to do things or 'the way it is' -- you're the negative person as are people like you out there, who say exactly what you said...
Not everyone or most who are 'victims' are causing anything to happen or even in control of anything that does occur... not everything is 'cause and effect' in spirituality there is karma, and with curses ba dlucky and negativity it's a different situation... for those who understand what I'm talking about... they would know, the rest not only haven't experienced, but are the closed minded losers of the 21'st century who think everything is 3d and anything other is 'bogus'... I can pick what information I want to give about myself, and there should be no 'rules' as to what info should be given nor should it even be an argument... it sounds like you want to find things to argue about rather than help... and try to force people to talk about things they don't want to and claim 'well if you can't do that, then you can't get help here'... and create more chaos and negativity... that's what people like 'You" do not me... im just here to get information not throw up stipulations...
People who are mistreated by others are not 'blaming others for their problems'... everyone should love that generic statement thrown around by mostly ignorant people of today who think that if someone came and beat you up-- that its not th eother person's fault, its now 'your problem' and if you blame that person you're 'blaming everyone else'... imo... you are sad... but you are everywhere unfortunately throwing out this same nonsensical trash to people... trying to manipulate the masses into thinking this warped way... if only there were people out there to stop this message that the ignorant masses have generated to everyone out there---theres a reason society is such a terrible mess---there are no more morals and those who fight against immorality are reprimanded by the judges out there, who teach this kind of nonsense...

It would be helpful if you could write in sentences, and paragraphs. Your writing is extremely hard to read.

Second, because you disagree with me, does not mean you give someone a 'reddie.' ONLY for factually incorrect information , NOT an opinion, is that allowed.

Please read the rules of the forum.

You will get all kinds of replies to questions on any subject. That you are unwilling, or unable to express yourself properly, and offer some insight as to why you feel the way you do, and what you have tried to do about it that has failed, or even that YOU might have some contributing information as to why you are so miserable, just what do you expect in an answer.

Perhaps this isn't the place for you.

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hi "jake" no people like you are negative..... who try to say that knid of nonsense to others....i would say that people being negative to an individual while they havent even interacted with them....isnt the individual's problem, its the person's problem.... now you and all the other negative people are trying to fight with regards to how much info should be posted on a forum and trying to determine how someone is based on their decision to not provide info they dont want to for personal reasons...that is so absurd.....thats being dictatorial in a forum setting and is indicative of jerks on powertrips....youre the one who need help and there are many victims out there on this planet who have really done nothing wrong...and are treated badly-- my situation is 'unique' i think and a little extreme...but im trying to understand what a reason could be....everyone might be 'mistreated' in life but people arent mistreated to a point of excessive persecution and bizarre scenarios....the way ive experienced....here come the fight police....and the gang/horde of bullies ready to tell people how to do things or 'the way it is' -- youre the negative person as are people like you out there, who say exactly waht you said....
not everyone or most who are 'victims' are causing anything to happen or even in control of anything that does occur...not everything is 'cause and effect' in spirituality there is karma, and with curses ba dlucky and negativity its a different situation..... for those who understand what im talking about.... they would know, the rest not only havent experienced, but are the closed minded losers of the 21'st century who think everything is 3d and anything other is 'bogus'..... i acn pick and choose what information i want to give about myself, and there should be no 'rules' as to what info should be given nor should it even be an argument....it sounds like you want to find things to argue about rather than help....and try to force people to talk about things they dont want to and claim 'well if u can't do that, then u can't get help here'..... and create more chaos and negativity....that's what people like 'You" do not me....im just here to get information not throw up stipulations...
people who are mistreated by others are not 'blaming others for their problems'....everyone should love that generic statement thrown around by mostly ignorant people of today who think that if someone came and beat you up-- that its not th eother person's fault, its now 'your problem' and if you blame that person youre 'blaming everyone else'....imo...you are sad...but you are everywhere unfortunately throwing out this same nonsensical trash to people....trying to manipulate the masses into thinking this warped way..... if only there were people out there to stop this message that the ignorant masses have generated to everyone out there---theres a reason society is such a terrible mess---there are no more morals and those who fight against immorality are reprimanded by the judges out there, who teach this kind of nonsense....

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You couldn't be more wrong about Jake. She is one of the most insightful and knowledgeable people you or I will ever encounter. And if you want help here it has to be on the terms set up and used by this forum that has made it such a success.

Thousands have sought and found help here because of so many intelligent and caring people being able to add insight and facts that they know about.

I believe we can help. But it has to done by the rules that have been proven to be such a success.

It is your decision.

Hi OP, I would say you are ill informed if you disagree with Jakes advice because Jake is a well thought of and respected member here and offers all those who ask advice very sound and solid suggestions for how to deal with their specific problem.

I am going to include 2 links for you to go check out please, these may explain to you in greater detail how negativity is not internal more external and also a state of being.

Martyr-Victim

Personal Responsibility

If you are really wanting to overcome the situations you are in then these two links can help you overcome them, and they also contain set by step self help exercises you can do to enable yourself to achieve this aim.

If you feel youve been cursed then that would only be possible if you have allowed that thought to manifest in your own mind, No one can curse another really, unless that person is allowing the other to do so.

Positive people are an example, a positive person thinks in happy hopeful optimistic terms, knows when they are thinking in a negative manner and consciously sets about changing that to a positive, Positive are aware of their being the creators of anything that doesnt go right, and doesnt blame anyone or anything external.

Negative blame everything and anything on other people , and its never anything theyve done, its the paper boy, he caused the person to be late, or the milk man, the grocer, the child the dog, theyre having a bad hair day because next doors cat tripped them up, any and everything is always due to some external thing or force, they never accept that they could be responsible because they refuse to accept any responsibility for anything they do.

Positive Attitude: What Is It?
What does having a positive attitude then really boil down to, our thoughts, actions, patterns, habits, and behavior have us using, targeting and utilizing our energy and enthusiasm in a particular way. We think, act and do…If you are mainly positive, you will be focused on good things, happy thoughts, and successful outcomes, seeing the glass half-full to an extent.

Negatively, you will be focusing on bad things, sad thoughts, unsuccessful outcomes and act and behave negatively too. Your goals and energy will not be focused and purposefully driven towards success, half-hearted at best.

Just for the record Ive been practicing Positive Thinking for over 10 years.

Anyway OP please check out the links in this post. Hopefully theyll help you...
if the above links dont give you the answers try this one.

Responsibility

In my very first answer to you I told you then that other people may be involved and you may not understand the methods.

This is because in your situation many people do not want to participate in a public forum , and I encounter the reluctance often.

I have tried other methods and this is by far the most effective.

Give this some thought and get back to me.

OP here is a little extract from the last of the links I left for you in my other post.

"A person who is completely irresponsible is subject to anger, hostility, fear, resentment, doubt-all sorts of negative emotions. And here’s why. All negative emotions tend to be associated with blame. Fully 99 percent of all our problems exist only because we’re able to blame someone or something for them. The instant we stop blaming, our negative emotions begin disappearing.

What’s the antidote to blaming? It’s simple! Since your mind can hold only one thought at a time, either positive or negative, you can override the tendency to blame and become angry simply by saying, firmly, “I am responsible!”

You can’t accept responsibility for a situation and be angry at the same time. You can’t accept responsibility and be unhappy or upset. The acceptance of responsibility negates negative emotions and short-circuits any tendencies toward unhappiness.

The very act of accepting responsibility calms your mind and clarifies your vision. It soothes your emotions and enables you to think more positively and constructively. In fact, the acceptance of responsibility often gives you insight into what you should do to resolve the situation."