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  • Jul 23, 2010, 07:43 AM
    speechlesstx
    An excellent example
    Lurch, aka John Kerry, just bought a $7 million dollar yacht. As if that isn't pretentious and audacious enough, he's parking it in Rhode Island and avoiding roughly half a million in taxes to the cash strapped state he represents. Not intentionally though (wink, wink, nudge, nudge):

    Quote:

    Kerry spokesman David Wade said Friday the boat is being kept at Newport Shipyard not to evade taxes, but "for long-term maintenance, upkeep and charter purposes."
    Half a million in taxes, what's that, 1666 weeks of unemployment benefits? 33 weeks for 50 people? Good to know he's feeling our pain.
  • Jul 23, 2010, 10:27 AM
    tomder55

    It's getting to a point that hypocrisy is shrugged off as 'aint no big thang'. Yes Michelle said people should vacation in the gulf .So the 1st family vacationed in the gulf... the Gulf of Maine that is. And where did they stay? At a national park almost completely donated to the country by those greedy capitalists they despise. (I believe they even hiked on 'Cadillac Mountain' )

    When you mentioned Lurch at 1st I thought you were going to bring up his and Reid's presser to announce their latest attempt at " comprehensive " energy reform (they no longer call it an environment or global warming bill) .

    They all but admitted that it would be impossible to pass an ambitious bill loaded with cap and tax to combat global warming provisions before they break for the summer recess and the campaign season.

    They therefore are going for a more modest version of the bill that will be ripe with things that will be difficult for the Republicans to stonewall. There will be punitive measures for BP "and their ilk" ;reforms giving the government the power to guarantee that never again will 'big oil' spill a drop of crude in our waters ,probably add additional funding for windmills, subsidies for renewable fuels ,and perhaps make modest changes to Café standards. If the Republicans try a filibuster they will be labeled as being in bed with the oil industry.

    The House of Representatives have already passed their version of cap and tax ,and Pelosi took a lot of heat from the rank and file because she did a bunch of arm twisting only to see the Senate Dems delay and not get the job done... a whole lot of broken arms and all they got in return was angry constitutents at Tea Parties and Town Hall meetings.

    But I know the Democrat game plan ,because they did essentially the same thing for ObamaCare . The Senate passes a vanilla version of a bill the House has already passed. Then in conference sometime after the November elections ,the lame ducks will pass something close to the House version of the bill.

    This is the type of democratic governance we are trying to teach the Afghans . Does anyone wonder why it is such a hard sell ?

    Re the yacht . If I register my car in NY but park it in NJ I still have to pay NY registration fees and insurance rates and all associated taxes . If I shop in the NJ malls theoretically NY can go after me for lost sales taxes.

    I really don't understand this . If he is registered in RI then wouldn't he have to establish residency ?And if he was a resident of RI .how could he be the Mass Senator ?
  • Jul 23, 2010, 11:32 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I really don't understand this . If he is registered in RI then wouldn't he have to establish residency ?And if he was a resident of RI .how could he be the Mass Senator ?

    Good question, but when you're the wealthiest congressman it probably wouldn't be unusual to have some sort of residence in RI also. I know if I had an address in NM I could register my vehicles cheaper there.

    What's funny is watching the left playing the role of apologist on this. Instead of clamoring to close his loophole they seem to be saying "so what" - and then running right back to whining about rich, insensitive Republicans.

    Re: the "energy bill," I noticed Harry Reid whining that he couldn't get one Republican vote... just like I noticed Obama blaming the media for him throwing Sherrod under the bus.
  • Jul 23, 2010, 11:35 AM
    tomder55

    Today he threw Vilsack under the bus.
  • Jul 23, 2010, 11:49 AM
    speechlesstx

    I can't think of a better political theme song ever than "Under My Bus." Do they have t-shirts?
  • Jul 23, 2010, 11:03 PM
    paraclete
    What is this guy an excellent example of, the person you don't want leading you? Or perhaps it is that he is an excellent example of a hypocrite
  • Jul 24, 2010, 06:27 AM
    speechlesstx

    I don't believe I'm allowed to engage the sarcasm font in the title.
  • Jul 24, 2010, 06:39 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    what is this guy an excellant example of, the person you don't want leading you? or perhaps it is that he is an excellant example of a hypocrite

    Hello:

    If he's avoiding taxes, he's doing what he should do. What? Are you saying that Republicans arrange their finances so as to pay the MAXIMUM amount? Really?

    excon
  • Jul 24, 2010, 07:53 AM
    speechlesstx

    Republicans aren't the ones complaining about the wealthy not paying their fair share. He, being the wealthiest congressman, should be a better example.
  • Jul 24, 2010, 08:07 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Republicans aren't the ones complaining about the wealthy not paying their fair share. He, being the wealthiest congressman, should be a better example.

    Hello again, Steve:

    So, you want this thread to be about congressmen who set bad examples...

    Would that be like Republican, born again Christian, right wing zealots who speak about the sanctity of marriage out of ONE side of their mouth, all the while schtupping their empoyee's WIFE, or the nearest HOOKER? I've even heard of a Republican congressman preying on people in a public restroom??

    Yeah, but none of that stuff is as bad as saving your family a cool half a million bucks...

    Are THOSE the kind of EXAMPLES you have in mind?? I can play that game. After all, I have a LOT more ammunition than you do! People in glass houses...

    excon
  • Jul 24, 2010, 08:16 AM
    excon

    Hello again,

    While we're talking about right wing scumbags, I cannot leave this conversation without mentioning the name of Andrew Brietbart.

    excon
  • Jul 24, 2010, 08:43 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Republicans aren't the ones complaining about the wealthy not paying their fair share. He, being the wealthiest congressman, should be a better example.

    Hello again, Steve:

    This is eerily similar to your argument that, because he discovered global warming, Al Gore is a hypocrite because he doesn't drive a smart car.

    So, THAT'S your position?? You think Al Gore should RIDE a bicycle, and John Kerry should PAY taxes he isn't required to??

    Is THAT the standard you're using to criticize Democrats? Really?? You want Democrats to do really DUMB things?? And, because they DON'T do really DUMB things, they're up for derision?? That's all you got??

    Dude!

    excon
  • Jul 24, 2010, 12:12 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    While we're talking about right wing scumbags, I cannot leave this conversation without mentioning the name of Andrew Brietbart.

    excon

    I'll see your Andrew Breitbart and call with a Charles Rangel
  • Jul 24, 2010, 12:19 PM
    tomder55

    And of course the difference is that Gore and Kerry want to pick our pockets with the things they preach . The Republican hypocrites cost no one a dime.
  • Jul 24, 2010, 12:24 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    and of course the difference is that Gore and Kerry want to pick our pockets with the things they preach . The Repubican hypocrites cost no one a dime.

    This just struck me as funny. The Left winger talking about social hypocrasies and the Right about fiscal ones. Is this the difference between us in it's most concise form?
  • Jul 24, 2010, 12:56 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    and of course the difference is that Gore and Kerry want to pick our pockets with the things they preach . The Repubican hypocrites cost no one a dime.

    Since the republican hypocrites are usually involved in pedophilia and homosexuality (after condemning it all their lives) I guess we know where your priorities are: money, money, money... morals be damned.
    How did Gore and Kerry pick your pockets again?
  • Jul 24, 2010, 01:04 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Since the republican hypocrites are usually involved in pedophilia and homosexuality

    My turn to call BS. Cite examples and frequency.

    Edit: or define your term "usually."
  • Jul 24, 2010, 01:09 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Catsmine View Post
    My turn to call BS. Cite examples and frequency.

    * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
    convicted child rapist in Florida.

    * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
    molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years
    in prison.

    * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a
    10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

    * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to
    possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
    anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

    * Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
    years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

    * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
    federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

    * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three
    years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

    * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond
    had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

    * Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during
    the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting
    to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

    * Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an
    inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

    * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
    parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    * Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at
    the White House during the 1980s.

    * Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
    having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

    * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child
    porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

    * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex
    crimes involving children.

    * Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted
    sexual assault on a child.

    * Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working
    as a congressional page.

    * Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell
    admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

    * Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a
    16 year old girl when he was 28.

    * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
    charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay
    bar.

    * Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
    distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

    * Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was
    taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual
    activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug
    LSD.

    * Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
    molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

    * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex
    with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the
    allegations were reported in the media.

    * Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
    traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a
    14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

    * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing
    his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

    * Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced
    to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he
    attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

    * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of
    raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

    * Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two
    years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
    old girl.

    * Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
    first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

    * Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
    felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
    of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

    * Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with
    sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

    * Republican County Councilman Keola Child's pleaded guilty to
    molesting a male child.

    * Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
    assault on a teenage girl.

    * Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

    * Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
    convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

    * Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty
    to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

    * Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest
    to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

    * Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of
    child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months
    in federal prison and fined $18,000.

    * Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
    representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
    was found in his possession.

    * Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
    Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex
    from boys and girls over the internet.

    * Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good
    military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having
    sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

    * Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
    Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
    the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

    * Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas
    Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six
    years in prison.

    * Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A.
    Dasen Sr. was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old
    girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and
    several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past
    decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of
    young women.
  • Jul 24, 2010, 01:38 PM
    Catsmine
    Okay, I'll see your jones report and add wikipedia:

    List of Democrat Sex Scandals
    From WikiProtest ~ The Wiki of the Revolution
    Jump to: navigation, search
    Quote:

    President John Kennedy had a known affair with actress Jayne Mansfield, and was ignored by the popular media.

    President John Kennedy had a known affair with actress Marilyn Monroe, and was ignored by the popular media.

    Bill Clinton raped Paula Jones.

    Bill Clinton got blown by Monica Lewinsky.

    Gavin Newsome, Mayor of San Fransisco had an affair with his best friend's wife, while Newsome was separated from his.

    Sen. Daniel Inouye. The 82-year-old Hawaii Democrat was accused in the 1990s by numerous women of sexual harassment. Democrats cast doubt on the allegations and the Senate Ethics Committee dropped its investigation.

    Former Rep. Gus Savage. The Illinois Democrat was accused of fondling a Peace Corps volunteer in 1989 while on a trip to Africa. The House Ethics Committee decided against disciplinary action in 1990.


    Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank's residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.

    Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.

    Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

    Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.

    Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.

    Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.

    Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.

    Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.

    On July 14, 1983 the House Ethics Committee concluded that Rep. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-Mass.) had engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages. In Crane's case, it was a 1980 relationship with a female page and in Studds's case, it was a 1973 relationship with a male page. Both representatives admitted to the charges and the committee recommended reprimand for the two.


    Congressman Mel Reynolds, the Democrat convicted of 12 charges, including sex with 16-year-old Beverly Heard and asking her to take pornographic photographs of a 15-year old, was indicted on August 21, 1994. ABC, the current scourge of congressional teen-sex scandals, reported nothing – until Reynolds was convicted a year later, on August 23, 1995. In fact, on May 13, 1994, ABC featured Reynolds in a "Person of the Week" speaking out in favor of two Chicago ladies fighting child molesters
    Note I attribute my sources so you can vet them. I don't hide the liberal Andrew Breitbart by not citing a source.
  • Jul 24, 2010, 02:26 PM
    NeedKarma
    This all really pointless isn't it. No one has aver changed sides by reading this drivel. I always wonder what the reasoning is behing people what start these threads.

    Quote:

    I don't hide the liberal Andrew Breitbart by not citing a source.
    Saying he is a liberal is like Fox "mistakenly" adding the Democrat "D" in front of Republicans caught in scandals. LOL!

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