Hello again, I know I am getting infamus for posting new threads lol. Sorry. :D

"Seriously, why don't you start a thread in Dogs explaining what you are looking for in a companion, the living conditions (or what they will be including other animals and people will be involved), any restrictions in your areas (Breed Specific laws, etc.), your lifestyle (how much your job will affect working with the animal, etc.), and other such information and ask for input. The pros and cons of different breeds. Mention the ones you have been interested in and go from there."



Above is a suggestion from Cat on another post I had. So here it is.

I need an energetic dog that loves to play (even a little rough at times) and that minds well when ordered. I am yet unsure of my future living conditions as they are about to change and I will be getting the pet after the change but it will most likely be a small rental house or an apartment. Either way it will be with a buddy of mine that will always be working a different shift. (dog will not be left alone for huge periods of time.) We are both in the market for compainions and I would like to get the same breed but an opposite sex. Female dogs agree best with me and Males him so that works out.

We cannot own pitbulls (which is good because I am scared of that jaw power) nor can we own Wolf Hybrids (good because I need my dog to have very short hair). We will probably be looking into smaller dogs as we will probably be living in an apartment complex that only allows smaller dogs. I do not want a bull dog, just don't want one. I have looked pretty heavily at Min Pin's but that is really all I have had the chance to look into so far. Reason I like the Min Pin is simply because of the way it looks when ears are cropped and tapped in the dobbie fasion and they sound to be a match in the personality section as well.

I hike a lot and thus I would love to take my compainion with me. I can be hiking for anywhere between 3 to 8 hours at a time. I wouldn't mind being able to pick the dog up and put him in the hiking pack if he started to get tired so like I said, a smaller dog breed would be best. I have also looked at a few other breeds for hunting purposes but was turned off due to expense.

As stated in the other post I love to keep the same bloodline of dog active in my family. There is just something about owning the mother, pup of her and pup of her that just fits you know. I understand that a lot of people may have issue with breeding for the soul purpose of keeping your original dog alive through another younger dog but honestly it is easiest to let go if you have one from the same family, like a legacy of sorts. Something your previous dog gave you before she went.

I know this is a long ways off but I've even gone so far as to start thinking up names, I know I'm crazy lol. But thing is, we will not be getting the dogs until we are settled a little bit in our new place. So I have time to figure out just what I want. What I need is honest input on breeds that you think would best fit me and my situation. I also want to add most above all else, we are two single males moving in together, we are getting a male and female of the same breed, and they are going to be small dogs, so just to make sure that people don't get the wrong idea about us, I want a dog that is not going to make us look like lovers :eek:lol. So no Pugs, poodles, or poms please, lol;)

Research the boxer breed.

Truthfully, you should research a good variety of breeds before finding a dog.

Remember there are many wonderful dogs without homes at pounds. They need love just as much!

Before we go further, why do you want opposite sexes? You aren't planning on breeding are you?

You don't want to look like lovers? Don't get a small dog. Labs are great! You live in Muskegon, you want a Lab to go to Duck Lake with you.

**Duck Lake is my favorite spot to take the kids and the dogs when I go home to GR.**

I know that. I have gotten pound dogs before, they are great dogs But this time I want a pure breed and I want it as a puppy. It may sound selfish, but that's what I want this time. Boxers are great dogs, I have owned one before but the issue is that they are just too big. Otherwise I'd love another boxer.

I don't understand why all of the "what breed of dog should I get" posts aren't combined.

I have an AKC GSD, great blood lines - and she was a rescue. I got her at 5 or 6 weeks and have her AKC papers. All rescue dogs are NOT older dogs and definitely are NOT "mutts."

I have 3 rescue dogs. One was rescued at 10 weeks, another at 13 weeks, the third at 3 years.

OK, to answer your question, the first thing that comes to mind is a jack russell, but you should read up on them and see what you think. =)

My friend has a beautiful German Shepard and a great St. Bernard that she got as puppies at a pound. There are rescue organizations all over for different purebred dogs. Do some research and find one near you. I adopted (or should I say my husband did) our newest doxie from a rescue organization. We got him at 8 weeks (and on Christmas eve).

You have to remember, this dog could potentially be living in an apartment.
High energy and apartment don't usually go well together unless you have a lot of time to work the dog.

Would you consider a Miniature Poodle Larken?

I know they aren't exactly "manly" looking but they really are good all round dogs. My OH didn't really like them when we first met just because they "looked girly" and the fact that they were poodles... now he loves them.

They don't have to be in the poofy, fluffy trims either... Mine get an all over buzz cut every 6 weeks. (yes, that is a toilet roll in his mouth :rolleyes: )

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Basenjis are another breed suitable for apartments. Basenjis don't bark, instead they make a sort of chortling sound.
They are sight hounds though so if you have any future plans of getting a cat or any other small animals, probably not a good idea, other than that I think they are good natured, beautiful dogs.

Here is a good site with a list of dogs, if you click on the breed, then go to "Full Breed Information" it will give you an overview of temperament, grooming, history etc.

Dogz Online - The Pure Breed Dogs of Australia

Definitely not a puppy. Puppies can be challangeing when you need to work and live in an apartment.

Pet adoption: Want a dog or cat? Adopt a pet on Petfinder -- There are a lot of good dogs in rescues and shelters. That site will help you find one in your area.

Jack russel terriers are good little dogs. They have lots of energy and have that bold terrier attitude!

My favorite little dog, which I'm not sure a guy would like, would the yorkie. Yes, they have long hair, but they too have the terrier like attitude. They're neat little dogs and cute as a button! Keep them in a short coat and the hair will be somewhat low maintenance.

I also heard that whippets make good apartment dogs. Yes, they need to run, but they become dormante during working hours and actually enjoy lounging about.

Good luck...

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Basenjis are another breed suitable for apartments. Basenjis don't bark, instead they make a sort of chortling sound.
They are sight hounds though so if you have any future plans of getting a cat or any other small animals, probably not a good idea, other than that I think they are good natured, beautiful dogs.

Here is a good site with a list of dogs, if you click on the breed, then go to "Full Breed Information" it will give you an overview of temperament, grooming, history etc.

Dogz Online - The Pure Breed Dogs of Australia

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I have thought of poodles, but seriously that will cause explaining to any company my friend and I entertain. I am all about loving up on a dog, but when it makes you look like you and you're best friend are closest lovers, I'm just not about that. I have looked into Basenjis a little but the site I was looking them up on said that they are escape artests and NEED to be kenel trained. I don't agree with Kenels. If you think they would make better apartment pets than the site says, I may look further into them. And The jack russel is another I would consider, yes.

The yorkie, thanks for the suggestion but the same goes for poodles and yorkies together. I could keep it shaved down but they are still a little girly, hate to say it lol.

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Originally Posted by Larken85

I have thought of poodles, but seriously that will cause explaining to any company my friend and I entertain. I am all about loving up on a dog, but when it makes you look like you and you're best friend are closest lovers, I'm just not about that. I have looked into Basenjis a little but the site I was looking them up on said that they are escape artests and NEED to be kenel trained. I don't agree with Kenels. If you think they would make better apartment pets than the site says, I may look further into them. And The jack russel is another I would consider, yes.

the yorkie, thanks for the suggestion but the same goes for poodles and yorkies together. I could keep it shaved down but they are still a little girly, hate to say it lol.

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What? Could you be any more insulting? You've managed to insult poodle owners AND everyone who has a gay friend or relative all in one post.

I did give you an agree - if you are afraid your friends will think you and your "best friend are closest lovers and you're not just about that" (your quote) because of the breed of dog you have, a poodle is not for you.

Try some sort of manly dog - whatever that may be.

As a side issue I dated a NFL player some time ago. Guess what kind of dogs he had? Right, poodles. I don't think anyone ever thought that suggested that he was gay.

If your manhood is tied into the type of dog you buy you have problems this forum isn't able to address.

Here's the part that's going to cause this post to be pulled - not only are you a fool, you don't even KNOW you're a fool (and you keep proving it).

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I have thought of poodles, but seriously that will cause explaining to any company my friend and I entertain. I am all about loving up on a dog, but when it makes you look like you and you're best friend are closest lovers, I'm just not about that. I have looked into Basenjis a little but the site I was looking them up on said that they are escape artests and NEED to be kenel trained. I don't agree with Kenels. If you think they would make better apartment pets than the site says, I may look further into them. And The jack russel is another I would consider, yes.

The yorkie, thanks for the suggestion but the same goes for poodles and yorkies together. I could keep it shaved down but they are still a little girly, hate to say it lol.

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Larken, please tell me you're joking. Only men with confidence issues choose a dog that will make them look more manly. It's like the guy that buys a porsche so people will think he's cool.

I'm beginning to think that a dog is not for you. You haven't done your research, otherwise you'd realize what a poor choice a Jack Russel is for an apartment, or for an inexperienced pet owner. Jack Russels are bred to kill, it's a part of their nature. They have a lot of energy, they need very specific discipline and boundaries otherwise you'll have nothing but trouble. This breed isn't for a novice such as yourself and it's definitely not a dog for apartment living.

Jack Russells are first and foremost a working terrier.[48] Originally bred to bolt fox from their dens during hunts, they are used on numerous ground-dwelling quarry such as groundhog, badger, and red and grey fox.[49] The working JRT is required to locate quarry in the earth, and then either bolt it or hold it in place until they are dug to.[50] To accomplish this, the dog must bark and work the quarry continuously. Because the preservation of this working ability is of highest importance to most registered JRTCA/JRTCGB breeders, Jack Russells tend to be extremely intelligent, athletic, fearless, and vocal dogs.[8] It is not uncommon for these dogs to become moody or destructive if not properly stimulated and exercised, as they have a tendency to bore easily and will often create their own fun when left alone to entertain themselves.[51]

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Their high energy and drive make these dogs ideally suited to a number of different dog sports such as flyball or agility.[52] Obedience classes are also recommended to potential owners,[49] as Jack Russells can be stubborn at times and aggressive towards other animals and humans if not properly socialized.[8] Despite their small size, these dogs are not recommended for the condominium or apartment dweller unless the owner is ready to take on the daunting task of providing the dog with the necessary amount of exercise and stimulation. These are truly big dogs in small packages,[51] a fact which can sometimes lead to trouble involving larger animals.[53] They may seem to never tire and will still be energetic after their owner has called it a day. While socialized members of the breed are friendly towards children, they will not tolerate abuse even if it is unintentional.[15]

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Found here;

Jack Russell Terrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe you should reconsider owning a dog if you consider it a status symbol and a way to prove that you're a man.

So, you are homophobic, insecure in your own sexuality, and extremely judgmental and shallow when it comes to appearances. You want a small dog that will cater to all of that, be energetic, and well behaved, that you can later breed.

Are you aware that the simply act of having matching dogs is couple-y in nature?

I would suggest going to the local pound or shelter and finding a dog there. Not only will you be able to meet the dogs and get to know their personality and energy level, but you'll be rescuing an animal from possible death.

You'll probably even be able to find a pure-bred there, if that's what you insist on getting. It's not at all uncommon for shelters to end up with entire litters of puppies, either.

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I have thought of poodles, but seriously that will cause explaining to any company my friend and I entertain. I am all about loving up on a dog, but when it makes you look like you and you're best friend are closest lovers, I'm just not about that. I have looked into Basenjis a little but the site I was looking them up on said that they are escape artests and NEED to be kenel trained. I don't agree with Kenels. If you think they would make better apartment pets than the site says, I may look further into them. And The jack russel is another I would consider, yes.

the yorkie, thanks for the suggestion but the same goes for poodles and yorkies together. I could keep it shaved down but they are still a little girly, hate to say it lol.

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So you're going to choose a pet as a lifestyle accessory? Is your real name Paris Hilton?

I was going to suggest a Basset, but I think I'd recommend you get your life together a bit before adding any more commitments.

OK, I'm sorry you all didn't like my opinions or reasons for my choices but I have owned dogs my entire life. My dogs are the most well behaved and loving dogs ever and I will not be insulted saying that I am not ready for a dog. I said I have time to pick and I will pick which ever dog that I think is the best match for me. I am not going to pick some lazy breed that doesn't want to do anything because that's just ridiculous. So I need it to be able to keep up with me, be a good apartment dog, and be loving. That is not in any way a tall order for ANY dog. Its all about who trains it and how its trained. Breed only really matters in intelligence and abilities, has nothing to do with personality. Dogs are like people, all have different personalities and all personalities are a product of environment. I can and will take care of a dog and I am sorry if you do not like the choices I make in those regards but I did not come on here to listen to people cry about why I make the choices.

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Also, I am the guy that would buy a dodge viper because it looks cool, there is no other purpose in the world to buy a viper. That is why they were made and that is something that all humans are quilty of. But just to let you know I drive a 1997 Ford Escort Grocery getter for gas conservation. So to say that people don't buy things to fit their spicific needs is ridiculous and plain out judgemental.

I still think you're best bet would be to go to the local shelter. The humane society, most places, evaluates the animals they get. If you go in and tell them you're looking for a small, intelligent, trainable, energetic dog, then they'll be able to show you some that they have that might work for you.

The fact that you are eliminating several breeds with temperaments that fits very well into what you're looking for, based simply on appearance, is shallow. You claim that intelligence and personality are the most important, then you go on to state a list of dogs that aren't 'macho' enough for you to own.

I can only suggest, that you re think getting a dog. At least until you are moved and settled. Also I think you need to do more research on breeds. Are you still considering breeding in all of this?

Larken, I think your choice and reasons for a dog, may not be well thought out. Remember it is a life time decision. You need to make sure you are going to be stable, financially and emotionally, and time prepared to take a dog on.

You said you had two other dogs, but you couldn't take them with you, what would you do if you had to move suddenly? Where would your dog go? What if you had to go to hospital for a week, or were on vacation or had a emergency which called youa way from home? Do you know what the cost is of a dog a month is? Are you financially sound to be able to foot any vet bills? Are you sure you and your room mate are going to be able to live in harmony with each other?

I've had lots of 'great' friends and than moved in with them, turned out we didn't clique so well.

You have gotten loads of great advice from others. I hope you consider it.

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ok, I'm sorry you all didn't like my opinions or reasons for my choices but I have owned dogs my entire life. My dogs are the most well behaved and loving dogs ever and i will not be insulted saying that i am not ready for a dog. I said I have time to pick and I will pick which ever dog that I think is the best match for me. I am not going to pick some lazy breed that doesn't want to do anything because thats just rediculous. So I need it to be able to keep up with me, be a good apartment dog, and be loving. That is not in any way a tall order for ANY dog. Its all about who trains it and how its trained. Breed only really matters in intelligence and abilities, has nothing to do with personality. Dogs are like people, all have different personalities and all personalities are a product of environment. I can and will take care of a dog and I am sorry if you do not like the choices I make in those regards but I did not come on here to listen to people cry about why I make the choices.

I asked for suggestions on a type of dog that would fit my personality and activities so please stay to the format of the thread or don't post on it.

Also, I am the guy that would buy a dodge viper because it looks cool, there is no other purpose in the world to buy a viper. That is why they were made and that is something that all humans are quilty of. But just to let you know I drive a 1997 Ford Escort Grocery getter for gas conservation. So to say that people don't buy things to fit thier spicific needs is ridiculous and plain out judgemental.

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You've been warned before about dictating who can and cannot answer you - and you're about to be warned again.

Vipers are high performance cars. People don't buy them to look "cool." People who can afford Vipers don't have a need to look "cool." They already are.

So how about worrying that buying a poodle will make people think you and your roommate are gay?

My partner doesn't have any issues with the poodles.
Like I said, if you can get past the fact that they have curly hair they really are great dogs.

He used to give me the poodles to walk at first, but now he's happy to take them out and doesn't think twice about it.

There are a couple of Aussie rules football players (none of that girly American gridiron :p ) who own poodles.

But... if they aren't for you then that's fair enough.

But please go for a breed that fits your lifestyle and don't base your choice solely on looks.

FYI, Dodge vipers are objects, not living breathing beings. I bought my car (A Mazda Miata) because I fell in love with how it looked.
It is a terribly impractical car, and now I am thinking about selling up and buying an SUV, just because it's a pain in the butt not being able to cart even a small box in the back of it.
You can't do that with dogs, if you don't choose one that fits your lifestyle, I'd hate to think you could just throw it away and get a 'better' one.

I agree with hheath. Perhaps a shelter dog may be better for you? A lot of "mutts" generally look the same, especially terrier mixes and you can get a feel for what the dogs temperament is like if you buy an older dog, plus there is the bonus that many are already trained.