According to Joe "Petraeus is 'dead flat wrong'" Biden, Obama has won the war in Iraq.

Yes, really. According to Joe "we’re going to shove (Iraq) down (Bush's) throat" Biden, proponent of carving Iraq into 3 territories, President Barack "the surge would increase violence" Obama's victory in Iraq will be one of their greatest achievements.

Quote:

---

I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.

I spent -- I've been there 17 times now. I go about every two months -- three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.

---

Man, it's a good thing Obama rescued Iraq isn't it?

He thinks the economy is doing splendidly... and believes his wasteful spending has created jobs nobody can seem to find since unemployment is 2 points higher than when he took office... and since they are fudging those numbers so badly, they don't reflect the unemployment rate... it only reflects the people still able to draw unemployment insurance... ignoring those who have exhausted those benefits and still remain unemployed. The TRUE unemployment numbers are closer to 17%.

The man is clearly delusional... and exhibits a weak grasp of reality.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

According to Joe "Petraeus is 'dead flat wrong'" Biden, Obama has won the war in Iraq.

Man, it's a good thing Obama rescued Iraq isn't it?

---

Yes he is man for all seasons, winner of a Nobel peace prize for not building a missile defence system in Poland, winning the war in Iraq by setting a deadline for withdrawal, Now he will win the war in Afghanistan by paying the Taliban not to fight, at least, not while he is President. He has won the economic war by spending his way out of a depression, but the question remains who will win the war in Iran, will he talk them to death? Or provide sanctions? Or blockade their ports? Or will Ahamadjihad call his bluff?

But he is the Messiah... he is perfect... nobody should be allowed to question his motives... or even present his own speaches that proves he is a liar.

This really rubs me . I really don't know what to say. It truly disgusts me that Biden would dare claim credit for a policy he fought against and ridiculed .

As you pointed out Biden of Arabia would've dissected the county before it ever had a chance.

I'll also clue him into another not so secret secret. Unless Iran is dealt with there is no chance of a permanent victory there.
Biden is supposed to be the foreign affairs and intelligence expert based on his long time committee membership during his Senate days. Has he not been paying attention the last year about how Maliki is drifting increasingly into the sphere of Iranian influence and how he is attempting to bar the Sunnis from the political process?
Biden to Meet Iraq Leaders Amid Candidate Dispute - NYTimes.com

Unless Biden's brand of personal diplomacy is successful the March elections in Iraq could be the death knell of the free Iraq republic.

The Obama's have by their lack of interest taken giant steps to reverse much of the progress .Further; under the Obama administration the US made a deal to release Qod trained terrorists that had killed American troops in exchange for hostage Peter Moore. US releases ‘dangerous’ Iranian proxy behind the murder of US troops - The Long War Journal

This shameful exchange was understandibly swept under the rug and under reported by the compliant press.

Gibbsy addressed this yesterday and confirmed Biden's claim:

Quote:

---

Q Robert, the Vice President last night said that Iraq could end up being one of the President's great achievements. Given that the Vice President was in favor of a partial partition of the country and the President opposed the surge that helped stabilize it, how is that one of the President's great achievements?

MR. GIBBS: Well, putting what was broken back together and getting our troops home, which we intend to do in August of this year.

Q But the Status of Forces Agreement to bring troops home was signed before the President took office.

MR. GIBBS: Something that -- something that I think the political pressure that the President, as a then-candidate, helped to bring about.

Look, I think that we will long debate Iraq. We will long debate whether at a very important moment in our efforts to root out terrorism particularly in Afghanistan and on that border region with Pakistan, whether we took our eye off the ball. I think historians will debate that long after we're gone. I think they will come likely to the conclusion that no single event took our eye off of what needed to be done in order to -- in order to occupy a country that, until we got there, didn’t have a single member of al Qaeda.

So, look, obviously -- look, the Vice President has been deeply involved in fixing the political process there so that elections can be held and so that our troops can come home as scheduled this summer.

---

There you have it, candidate Obama got the troops home and Biden fixed what was broken so elections could be held. Barack and the Revisionaries strike again.

Goes to show... Democrats and left wing "Journalists" never let the facts get in the way.

Cheney criticized the Obama administration again over their handling of terrorism and Biden - after declaring Iraq one of Obama's greatest achievements - complained of Cheney rewriting history.

Quote:

---

I don't know where Cheney has been. Look, it's one thing, again, to criticize. It's another thing to sort of rewrite history. What is he talking about?"

---

Can't wait to hear Cheney's response to that one today.

Thanks for this fabulous information. This really helps, I've been looking for this kind of info hub on this issue for a long time now and for sure this one is great.
===========================
caravans

Biden's pronouncement of one of Obama's greatest achievements may be premature after all...

Quote:

---

Just weeks before elections, specter of sectarian violence resurfaces in Iraq

BAGHDAD -- It was only one killing, but it unleashed the demons of a bitter and perhaps unfinished past.

The victim was a Sunni man in the mostly Shiite neighborhood of Hurriyah, in northwest Baghdad. The death and the aftermath were reminiscent of the prelude to the sectarian war, which began in late 2005 with a smattering of killings and threats and culminated with 100 bodies a day being dumped in the streets of the capital. With the imminent departure of American forces and fierce competition for power ahead of general elections on March 7, many here say sectarian strife is reigniting.

But this time, there will be no outsider acting as a buffer between the warring sects. U.S. military officials acknowledge that as Iraq regains sovereignty, their influence is waning. A senior U.S. military official who has spent years in Iraq said he fears that as the drawdown begins, American forces are leaving behind many of the same conditions that preceded the sectarian war.

"All we're doing is setting the clock back to 2005," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to offer a stark assessment. "The militias are fully armed, and al-Qaeda in Iraq is trying to move back from the west. These are the conditions now, and we're sitting back looking at PowerPoint slides and whitewashing."

---

It's Bush's fault.

Not sure sectarian violence will ever go away. It hasn't in many nations of the world and the only way they achieved a relative peace was by having one side (Sunni) dominate the political landscape with a strong armed oppression (Saddam Hussein) .

My greater concern is that Maliki (increasingly becoming a stooge of the Iranian 12'vers) has been making attempts to exclude the Sunni from the political process. If that becomes the reality than yes ,there is the possibility that it could become open season.
Candidates to Stay Off Ballot in Iraq - NYTimes.com

Originally he tried to exclude Sunni and some Shia politicians from the elections who Maliki claimed were former Baathists . They have been reinstated by court order. But there is still a possibility of a Sunni boycot of the March 7 elections.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tomder55

Not sure sectarian violence will ever go away. It hasn't in many nations of the world and the only way they achieved a relative peace was by having one side (Sunni) dominate the political landscape with a strong armed oppression (Saddam Hussein) .

My greater concern is that Maliki (increasingly becoming a stooge of the Iranian 12'vers) has been making attempts to exclude the Sunni from the political process. If that becomes the reality than yes ,there is the possibility that it could become open season.
Candidates to Stay Off Ballot in Iraq - NYTimes.com

Originally he tried to exclude Sunni and some Shia politicians from the elections who Maliki claimed were former Baathists . They have been reinstated by court order. But there is still a possibilty of a Sunni boycot of the March 7 elections.

---

So it seems Iraq is destined to be dominated by one group or another, the three Iraq solution looks better than a all in fight.

Ridiculous there is a strong national identity for Iraq. A subdivision would result in the following.
1. Shia south would become part of greater Persia
2. The Sunni section ,without the resources that the North and South would constantly be at war with the other sections ;could possibly become a failed state dominated by jihadists or the Saudis .
3. There is no way the Turks or the Iranians permit an independent Kurdish state to exist . So they would attack and conquer them .

The only way the 3 sections remain independent is to remain a whole nation.
Biden is a dope to suggest it.