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  • Jan 17, 2010, 06:35 AM
    racquel58
    boyfriend thinks I'm big
    I really don't know what to do! When I was 19 I broke up with a guy who was emotionally and physically abusive. I was down to nothing. No self esteem. No friends. No family support. I ended up clubbing with my friends a bit and met a new guy at a club. Eager to sooth my emotional pain I started seeing him. He seemed OK at first and we had been seeing each other for 2 weeks. He would constantly make remarks about other girls being so hot etc etc. and our time was always scheduled around him. I didn't love it, but thought that's just how it was whenseeing someone. Anyway, he started to get pushy telling me I had to either go out with him or I couldn't speak to him anymore because he was sick of girls messing him around. I was really delicate at that stage and just needed a friend, or at least tp take things slow (he knew about my relationship breakdown as a friend told him).
    I stupidly said yes. He would pressure me to sleep at his house and lie to my family because of it. I would, because I was stupid! So by now we were exclusive. He would still catch up with girls he had just met at work etc. for coffee... I forced myself to be OK with this. He would talk about how they liked him. Still, I was OK. Then one night he said to me 'you have to go home now because I'm going out' and had this smirk on his face. I wanted to ask who with but didn't because I didn't want to be overbearing.
    the next day I saw him, he was acting weird and short. I tried to think nothing of it. I slept with him 3 times that day (which wasn't unusual) but when he wanted more and I didn't want to anymore (it was completely removed and unaffectionate and he was so grumpy with me that day) he pulled a guilt trip saying how I wasn't going to see him for a few days and I wouldn't do it again. So. Like a good girlfriend. I did. A few days later he said I would have to make a big decision. I knew what was coming, he told me he cheated and I had to forgive him or let him go with her.
    I was really upset but forgave him. He said it was because I wasn't affectionate enough to him (remember I was really down at this time and so nervous to be with this new guy)... I tried to be affectionate but he was always removed and concerned with other people. Even after I forgave him he would say how beautiful this girl he cheated with was, how talkative and sweet and bubbly, and how skinny she was. (she knew he had a girlfriend and was seeing 5 other guys so can't have been that sweet!). It was mental torture for me. I was very reserved at this time in my life because I was so low, and he was making me more down. I didn't think I could hate myself more. But with him, I did..
    we were in a relationship for 2 years. In this time he told me I was 'realistic shaped' and bigger than other girls and had a big bum, but he realised it wasn't 'realistic' for me to be thinner. I was 5'3 53kgs, went to gym everyday doing weights and cardio. Was very fit, not wanting to brag but in the past people had liked my fit hourglass figure. I would often get compliments from random people and would be the 'hot one' at work etc. if there was anything I was going to be confident in it was my looks (but very barely).
    he tried to see her for 6 or so months. Wanted to go ice skating, I said that's fine but I wanted to come and he wouldn't let me! I thought I was reasonable for letting him be friends after what happened. He would talk about how people at work made jokes about the 2 of them being lovers etc. we would go out and he would point out 'all the beautiful girls' and some in particular. He didn't look at me. Sometimes I would catch exes just giving me a sexy look behind my back checking me out (as bf's do I guess? I see my mates bfs do it to them) but he never did that. He would not look at me in my underwear/naked. Was completely uninterested saying 'ive already seen you and know what you look like'
    he would say his friends are 'lucky bastards' because they are in dorms with dancers at uni (I was also a dancer! But he didn't recognise that). He would say he loves how low girls knickers and jeans are on them. I was like 'on me?' he would say 'no, in general'.
    I would sleep with him every day 3 times a day, one week I didn't because I went on holiday and he said he often feels like cheating but won't because he is with me. He was at a music festival staying in a girls dorm when he said that. He also said 'one day if we are married I may meet someone else I'm more attracted to, that has the same interests as me (music- he wanted to be a musician... he is 27) and then have to decide to leave you. When I got back from my holiday I was hurt by that and couldn't bring myself to sleep with him. He would tell his friends 'he wasn't getting any' and would ring me up drunk saying 'i want sex'.
    he would put me down in front of his mates. Would call in sick for work then ring me and expect me to do the same, or to cancel my day plans because he had for me. (this wasn't discussed, he just did it then expected it)... he was very controlling and I was very down. He would cancel nights for us 2 and go on 'boys nights' which I understood, but then would go to girls houses. When he studied music it tore my heart up because of the comments he said about meeting someone else. Yet I kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to ruin his dream and wanted to support him.
    he would see posters when walking past lingerie shops and literally stop in front. Cross his arms, look it up and down and smirk while nodding his head, when he was with me.
    he would comment on me eating too much... even justfruit. Yet say it was because he didn't want me to get fat and get upset.
    because I was so low, I did some stupid things when I was drunk. We had a fight and I smashed a plate, another time I lashed out at his friend (his friend would always make snide remarks that I wasn't a good enough girlfriend to him because we always fought)... and one time I was too drunk and lashed out. I felt bad and apologised both times profusely (sp?) and saw a counsellor... she explained to me how his behaviour was controlling. After 2 years I finally broke it off... I did so while on holiday. I went away and realised I could live and be happy without him, I was going to wait until I got back but it would be 2 months so did it over the phone (which he never lets me forget)- I do feel really guilty for it to this day. We didn't talk for a year (I had 2 other bad bfs), then we got in contact again (3 years on from when we met). He says he sees the wrong from the past (which sometimes I believe) and some things have changed, yet some things haven't. We have been in contact for a year now, me deciding whether to go back with him. I feel myself esteem has plummetted again, but its my fault.
    he says he did used to think badly of my body and did think my bum was too big but now he doesn't. I feel like I should be happy with this but it feels like he is running salt into the wounds, just another chance to say 'yeah you were never good enough for me, but ill accept you now, aren't you lucky!' I feel like I should be happy with this but I feel so angry from the past. At the same time I feel so guilty about the things I did. I feel guilty that's its been a year and I have only slept with him twice. I feel like I owe him for 'waiting for me' yet I cent get over the past. Especially wnen he says that he didn't think I was good enough back them (even though all his friends used to comment how hot they thought I was and how did he get me etc). I told him we can try it out for a month, then he took that as an opportunity to say 'from now on then I am going to record evertime you are angry at me'... I feel that is controlling and MAKES me angrier. I do get upset a lot from the past because he tells me to 'get over it' and I feel like I shhould but something inside tells me not to.
    he will go out clubbing and not reassure me that he isn't chattiing other girls up etc. his ex love interest (who he wouldn't deny being over when he was with me, also saying she was a 'diamond in the rough' - different girl from the cheating one) would contact him calling him his nickname and he couldn't see anything wrong with that. He would add random girls onto his fb. Even though most things seem to have changed these things still upset me because of the past! I just don't know how to deal with it and get over it and forgive him (I can forgive him when we are not together, but when we are I start to hurt again and wonder why I wasn't and still can't seem to be good enough),
    because I haven't slept with him this year he says I have low libido, yet he still doesn't look at me or seem interested in me especially if other girls are around. I was also house sitting, he said his parents were kicking him out, he asked if he could stay with me. At first I said yes, then 2 weeks before I moved into the house we were fighting a lot so I said its best if he doesn't stay. He put the guilt trip on saying he was counting on me and has nowhere to go. Turns out, 6 months later he is still at his parents and has offers to move into his mates but won't because girls live there and he doesn't want to upset me. Truth is, before he said that he said that it was too small and messy and that's why he didn't want to live there.
    his friends all think I am this controlling cow because of the crazy things they seen/ heard of me do when drunk (twice) yet they don't see everything he did. But I feel I am in the wrong and need to change. But I don't know how to feel secure with him!!

    oh also when we origibally went out he would talk about moving away and travelling the world/ working away for months and months with no thought of me.I was expected to stay behind and wait for him. This would come up every few months when I was trying to get over 'my insecurities' after he would put me down etc. he also went on a holiday with his mate and didn't tell me when he was coming back, just expected me to wait. Then he came back on a big public hol when all the highways were closed, I was at a party. He wanted me to leave, to get him at the airport because he spent all his money on alcohol. I left the party to go, then something held me back (probably closed highways!) and he put the guilt trip on. Magically he 'found' money in his pants to get him home... the night before he left to go on this trip (which had no time limit) he wanted to see me, yet he needed to go to his friends party because his friend made him 'promise that they would go to each others' I said that's fine but he expected me to pick him up an hour away when he was drunk so I could see hime the night before he left (note:him being drunk). I had to work the next morning and said no. he expected me to get work off and said I didn't care because I wouldn't make time for him!
    he also had a birthday party the week before this. I told him not to have it on one particular night because it was a mates 30th... he made it that night. He expected me to forfeit the 30th... I just went to the 30th late, but the principal annoyed me. We had been together for 2 years and still there was no thought in this! He still sees nothing wrong with this.

    I need to decide now to be with him or not. I have dragged it on for too long! But I am afraid I will never find anyone else and all him and his friends will blame me...
  • Jan 17, 2010, 06:36 AM
    racquel58

    Wow sorry that was far too long... not sure how to cut it down but should get the gist if you just skim parts of it... I don't expect people to read THAT! Lol
  • Jan 17, 2010, 06:56 AM
    redhed35

    I can't believe you have put up with this jerks crappy behaviour for so long,left,and then went back for more!

    A councillor told you he was controlling,they were telling you the truth.

    Stop this mental and emotional abuser.. stop him today,no contact,take time to heal and love yourself,there are years of bad relationships in your life,time to cull the bad guys and time for you to move on.

    Build yourself esteem and confidence back up,you already know this guy is not good for you,get angry,and you have every right to be,and use it to your advantage,run,run away from this guy,and don't look back.
  • Jan 17, 2010, 06:56 AM
    amicon
    Don't even consider getting back with this emotional moron. He's abusing you-and he comes across as a complete sadist.

    Walk away-no,run and never speak to him again.

    And maybe you should see your therapist again and do some work on your selfesteem issues.
  • Jan 17, 2010, 07:08 AM
    racquel58

    Thank you both for your answers... so sorry it was so long! I was trying to set the scene but I guess my thing is, I feel like he has changed for the most part... but how do I know that he is not just saying things now to make me feel better?

    i.e. I find you attractive... now (the now part gets me though, I feel like that is still abusive? Because he is stating he didn't think I was at the start.)

    I know, I wish I walked away as soon as he cheated. I then wished I never considered him again. But now I feel I am in too far and owe him for the changes he has made.

    It also hurts that his friends think he is so great and I am such a cow for the things I did. Which I also hate myself for.

    I have been to counselors since and they told me maybe he would respect me more if I gave him another go? And they asked why won't I give it another go.. truth is- I am scared to walk away in case he has changed/ he has in some ways, and I won't find anyone better. Yet I am scared to get tangled up in the abusive cycle again

    I was always feeling so guilty for what I did (plate throwing etc. breaking up on holiday) and I always feel I owe him. And I still feel it now. And his mates and my family think I do. They think he is wonderful because he is quiet spoken and seemingly sweet.

    There again, I can't just forget the past and if he screws me over again I will have only myself to blame. I feel he will move on with someone beautiful and wonderful and smart and funny and kind and I will be left alone
  • Jan 17, 2010, 07:12 AM
    J_9
    You really need to check out this website. It gives you some very informative info on how abuse begins and multiplies. I see that you have been manipulated.

    The Cycle of Abuse
  • Jan 17, 2010, 07:13 AM
    redhed35

    You owe him? You owe him!

    Sweet holy joe,this guy has you wrapped around his little finger..

    You don't owe him squat.

    As a matter of fact,if he spent every day,loving you the way he should,on his knees and licking the dirt off your shoes,he could not come close to make up for the emotional damage he has done...


    Feeling you owe him should scream at you to get out of this relationship...

    Do you owe him 3 kids?

    Do you owe him the rest of your life being unhappy?

    No way.

    You owe yourself to save you... save yourself.
  • Jan 17, 2010, 07:15 AM
    J_9
    Again... this IS an abusive situation. It's how the abuse begins. Abuse does not always mean physical. This dude has brainwashed you.

    Read the link I provided, it will help you see the light.
  • Jan 17, 2010, 08:13 AM
    jmjoseph

    Please seek counseling. Not couples counseling, but one on one for you to realize that there is a healthy, loving relationship out there for you. With someone who doesn't extort sex from you, or make you feel inferior. This new guy won't cheat on you and tell you to "forgive me or else" ( what an !).

    Life doesn't have to be this hard.

    You will look back on this relationship one day and see how much time you are wasting.

    You owe him nothing.

    You do owe it to YOURSELF to be happy and respected.

    Good luck.
  • Jan 17, 2010, 09:09 AM
    sully123

    What are you doing staying with this man? YOU owe him nothing! He is a control freak and why would you think you couldnt' find anyone. There are plenty of guys out there. It's not you, get that out of your head. Your not desperate, you need to get your respect and dignity back. Kick him to the ground. Work on you, and forget about the men, someone will come along when you least expect it. I can't believe you stayed with this man.
  • Jan 17, 2010, 11:33 PM
    Jake2008

    Racquel,

    Did you read the link that J-9 posted? In it there is a clearly defined 'circle of abuse'. Read it once, and then read it again.

    That is as close to what you are going through as anything you've said in your posts.

    I can't imagine a qualified counsellor telling you to give him another chance. They are wrong, wrong, wrong.

    You will need help getting off this toxic merry go round and regaining yourself in the process.

    Have you thought of any plans as to how you are going to do that?
  • Jan 18, 2010, 12:09 AM
    Gemini54
    Oh please. Stop this and stop it now. I felt stabbed in the heart when I read your post.

    There is SO much that is wrong and toxic in your connection to this man, that I don't even know where to start.

    Your size is not the issue here. You're putting all your hopes for happiness and the responsibility for yourself esteem in the hands of a mean, abusive, controlling predator. There is absolutely no happiness or joy in this relationship - all you describe is manipulation, bullying and sadness.

    You keep looking to him for confirmation of your happiness, health and attractiveness and he keeps denying you, again and again and again.

    You say that you're afraid to leave because you won't find anyone else. Sweet Jesus, why would you stay with someone that treats you SO badly? You would be SO much better off to be alone.

    Leave him now. Who cares what his stupid friends think!

    Please go back to counselling. You have repeating patterns of abuse in your relationships and you don't know how to break out of them. You sound gorgeous - but you're emotionally and spiritually unwell because you stay in relationships with men that treat you like $hit.

    The important thing is for you to break this cycle - deep down you know this. Put aside your fear (being alone is not the worse thing that can happen!) and make a decision to cut the toxicity out of your life. You will never feel genuinely beautiful or appreciated while you are with this awful man.
  • Jan 18, 2010, 08:43 AM
    racquel58

    Thank you so much for all of your answers. I didn't expect so many people to actually answer. I think I know deep down that you are all right. My dad was always controlling of my mum as well, and a psych has explained to me that cycle.

    But because I keep ending up with people like this, I can't help thinking it is me! The last one (in the break with this guy) would bring me down about my looks and his 'fantasy girls' but would control me 24/7. never let me have a break. Wouldn't let me breath. So I acted out crazy again, then broke up with him and he kept stalking me and is still trying after a year.

    The first guy I talked about does seem better in ways. i.e. he will say I am beautiful now, does listen to me and understand my problems outside of the relationship, he does listen to me regarding the past (most of the time)... but at the same time he does put up with me talking about it almost everyday (I do want to 'talk' everyday because deep down I feel I am going against what I should be doing -leaving him right alone).

    He has hung around for a year without sex, seems to have matured a bit in some ways... but then... how would I know that's not just an 'act' or the fourth 'calm' stage of abuse until he has me for sure again. In a relationship.

    He says I am abusive because I keep talking about the past and then I yell when he draws away and gives me the silent treatment and says spiteful things (he thinks he acts better than me because he is calm and 'collected' when really he seems passive aggressive). Anyway, I then yell and get desperate etc. then he says I am abusing him which makes me more mad (I don't call him names or put him down but I do yell)... at this stage I always used to back down but now I just have to walk away.

    I act crazy around him. And I did around my other controlling boyfriend that wouldn't let me breath. My psych says that is part of the abuse. They make you look 'crazy' by manipulating you. But I feel I should have more control and not yell etc. but I can't just not talk about things from the past because they make me so mad and feel so low.

    Even though for the most part he doesn't say things that directly put me down... just the fact that he talks about the past makes me think it is abuse again. Just a more 'sneaky' way... like 'you were not good enough back then, I will admit that now... but I will also accept you and deal with your 'flaws' now'...
  • Jan 18, 2010, 08:45 AM
    J_9
    Hun, read that link I gave you. It not only explains it all, but it teaches you how to make better choices.
  • Jan 18, 2010, 08:47 AM
    racquel58
    But basically because I acted out a few times I look like the abuser... and he tells me I am... and sometimes I think I am. It's just such a head screw! But I am afraid that if I am the abuser- what if I do it in my next relationship?

    He says I am abusive because I am always telling him he is doing things wrong. But he does often do stuff that only concerns him I guess... and even when he doesn't... something about him irks me... and I am on edge and angry purely from the past!. and also the present... I guess some of those beahviours are still controlling and spiteful.

    And I have always 'understood' his reasonings for things. When really, I didn't need to do that. I should have just walked away. I guess its even harder now though because he has been MUCH better this past year than he was in the past (2-3 years ago)
  • Jan 18, 2010, 08:51 AM
    J_9
    You are pretty much brainwashed... that's common in an abusive situation. He has successfully brainwashed you to believe anything he wants you to believe. If he wants you to believe the grass is purple, by God, he will be able to.

    You need to get away from this before you are ruined even further.
  • Jan 18, 2010, 08:54 AM
    racquel58
    Now we always fight because he denies everything and says that everything he said to put me down in the past were just lies that he said to not let me feel too good, and when he backed them up this year by saying that in the past I wasn't good enough, that he was just trying to be consistent with what he said in the past but he never meant any of it.

    That the 'truth' is that he thought I was too good for him and I should accept that. But even then, I don't know what to believe! Its all a pile of lies and contradictions! And because he says this to me NOW, I'm supposed to be OK with it and forgive him? I don't know what to believe! To me, it sounds more like another manipulation technique. But I don't know if I am being too paranoid about abuse, and just stating that certain behaviour is abuse when its not!

    Omg! I'm sorry, another long post! As you can probably see- I am completely erratic and confused!
  • Jan 18, 2010, 08:57 AM
    racquel58
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by J_9 View Post
    You are pretty much brainwashed...that's common in an abusive situation. He has successfully brainwashed you to believe anything he wants you to believe. If he wants you to believe the grass is purple, by God, he will be able to.

    You need to get away from this before you are ruined even further.

    I guess you do make sense to me... and I think if I was one of my friends I would tell her to get the hell out! But because it's me... I blame myself! (also the past relationships being similar don't help). And I know his friends think I am crazy and that he should get the hell away from me because I am abusive. And knowing my whole family back him up and think I am the abusive one makes it even harder... I think I am going to try and get away for a while. Work interstate. Fresh start. New head.
  • Jan 18, 2010, 08:57 AM
    redhed35

    There is a type of man who attracts women with low self esteem and low confidence,most likely something has happened in their own lives that let them believe that the way they abuse their partner is the way its supposed to be... ITS NOT..

    When you say you think that it you,your right... you keep going for the same guy only a different face,this ine knows from old how to press your buttons and how to keep control.

    When you stand up to him,he gets afraid,honestly... because your not afraid of him,he's a bully,and you're his victim,and a willing victim.

    The only way to stop yourself from repeating the same abusive relationships is to be on your own for minimum one year.. thats only 12 months!

    In that time,you work on you,set yourself achievable goals,surround yourself with positive people,family and friends.

    As the months past,and your mental state inproves.. (he has caused a lot of damage to you) you will get a new perspective on things.

    And one day you will wake up,and look at yourself in the mirror and say... never never again,will someone treat me like that... EVER!.

    You will meet someone who will love you,and it won't be easy,but with care and understanding of yourself you can have the type of relationship that is trully amazing..

    But first things first... leave him.
  • Jan 18, 2010, 09:01 AM
    racquel58
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by J_9 View Post
    Hun, read that link I gave you. It not only explains it all, but it teaches you how to make better choices.

    Thank you for the link- it was helpful and I do understand it and could easily see it in other people's relationships etc. and I can see it in my past relationship with him. But I can't see it so clearly in the past year, which adds to my confusion. Like, maybe he has changed and I am not giving him the proper chance I should. But then again I think 'what idiot in her right mind WOULD give him ANOTHER chance!'

    But then I think 'well what if he HAS changed! And he is showing it but I can't see it! BUT if he had fully changed then I probably wouldn't be feeling the way I do now!

    And I guess if I was the abuser. I wouldn't be feeling so guilty and trying to change myself all the time.

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