Lots of ink and hot air expended over the role of a third party candidate and the Republican establishment. Revolutions are never easy, and are places for the bravest of the brave. The Republican establishment certainly is not brave.

"A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers." Ronaldus Maximus

1975 CPAC Speech by Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA)

Btw: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-1119.html

Did you see Hoffman needs volunteers because ACORN is mobilizing to get the Dem vote out ?

Check out other comments about this important race on Steve's OP .
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...us-409012.html

Update ultra-liberal Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava has suspended her campaign in New York's 23rd Congressional race and is encouraging supporters to embrace Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman.
Michael Steele ,late to the game ,has also thrown the endorsement of the RNC to Hoffman.
I'll call this a victory for the tea parties when Hoffman wins Tuesday .

Interesting article about the republicans:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/op...rich.html?_r=1

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"The battle for upstate New York confirms just how swiftly the right has devolved into a wacky, paranoid cult that is as eager to eat its own as it is to destroy Obama. The movement's undisputed leaders, Palin and Beck, neither of whom have what Palin once called the “actual responsibilities” of public office, would gladly see the Republican Party die on the cross of right-wing ideological purity. Over the short term, at least, their wish could come true. ... Last week it turned out that Hoffman's prime attribute to the radical right — as a take-no-prisoners fiscal conservative — was bogus. In fact he's on the finance committee of a hospital that happily helped itself to a $479,000 federal earmark. Then again, without the federal government largess that the tea party crowd so deplores, New York's 23rd would be a Siberia of joblessness. The biggest local employer is the pork-dependent military base, Fort Drum. "

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Interesting article about the republicans:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/op...rich.html?_r=1

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NK, that's not an article, it's an opinion column hit job by a "wacky, paranoid" leftist named Frank Rich. What's interesting is for a guy who immediately dismisses any conservative source that you would cite a liberal nut job like Rich as some sort of authority on Republicans. Rich's response says more about the left than it does about the right. Just as Obama threw Deeds under the bus in VA 2 weeks before the election and then has gone all out to help Corzine in NJ, Rich's reaction means they're spooked. The Obamanation is in trouble so they'll be going all out in their attacks since they have no real solutions.

I guess we'll just see how it all plays out then. You go back to rwading that wonderful Michelle Malkin and then going to church and professing your love for your fellow man.

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I guess we'll just see how it all plays out then. You go back to rwading that wonderful Michelle Malkin and then going to church and professing your love for your fellow man.

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Nothing like a good personal attack to start the day.

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Nothing like a good personal attack to start the day.

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Sorry, wasn't personal, was meant meant for all hypocritical republicans who spread fear, hatred and divisiveness.

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Sorry, wasn't personal, was meant meant for all hypocritical republicans who spread fear, hatred and divisiveness.

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Oh that makes it much better. :rolleyes:

Citing Frank Rich calling us "a wacky, paranoid cult that is as eager to eat its own as it is to destroy Obama" while complaining of "republicans who spread fear, hatred and divisiveness" = hypocrisy.

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Sorry, wasn't personal, was meant meant for all hypocritical republicans who spread fear, hatred and divisiveness.

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Is this an attempt to advance the conversation? There are no liberals/progressives that spread fear, hatred and divisiveness? Isn't that what liberals do, all of the time?

Hello George:

Talking about the Dems throwing people under the bus... But, that just what you guys did to Scozzafava. Dude!

It seems that you, the Wolverine, and the limp one, think there's a huge majority of voters to the RIGHT of where the Republican party is.

I don't. I think there's oblivion...

excon

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It seems that you, the Wolverine, and the limp one, think there's a huge majority of voters to the RIGHT of where the Republican party is.

I don't. I think there's oblivion...

excon

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Seems to me there are a great number of folks who really care about freedom and liberty, rather than big government security. Perhaps there is hope for the people of New York state, after all.

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Seems to me there are a great number of folks who really care about freedom and liberty, rather than big government security. Perhaps there is hope for the people of New York state, afterall.

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Hello George:

Wow! I could have said that first sentence about the Patriot Act. In fact, I'll bet I did.

But, in terms of New York, let's not get carried away. The ONLY shot the Democrat had is if the Right and the Further Right kept it's battle up. But, since you discarded the Republican, and embraced the third party candidate, you ensured his win...

This is a district who had its last Democrat represent it TWO century's ago.

excon

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But, in terms of New York, let's not get carried away. The ONLY shot the Democrat had is if the Right and the Further Right kept it's battle up. But, since you discarded the Republican, and embraced the third party candidate, you ensured his win...

excon

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Three observations:
1) what's wrong with democracy? The Republican candidate was not approved by the voters, but by the party machine. And unlike Obama tactics, she was not removed by intra party hacks.

2) do we now know more about who is leading the Repbublican Party? Perhaps the Party should follow the will of the people.

3) this is what Pelosi calls 'astroturf'; bwe he he

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Talking about the Dems throwing people under the bus.... But, that just what you guys did to Scozzafava. Dude!

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Just one problem ex, she was never on my bus.

And by the way, it's not looking so good for Corzine in NJ in spite of Obama pulling out all the stops including a virtual takeover of Corzine's campaign.

Oh and another thing, Scozzafava is backing the Democrat now... while her campaign manager is backing Hoffman. Scozzafava finally boarded the bus she should have taken in the first place.

That Scozzafava told her followers that they should vote for the Democrat candidate is telling about where her loyalties lie.

Trust me ;the Republican party of NY is a weak entity that rarely delivers candidates of substance. The NY 23rd has for so long been serfs dependent on the largess of the state ;that people like Scozzafava don't know any better way. The conservative revolution in the party is exactly what the NY Repubulican party needs. Only then will the people of NY be offered a real choice.

Hello tom:

This isn't really about NY. It just a precursor of how the Republicans are going to act nationwide. They're moving to the right hoping to find a LOT of people there just waiting for them to catch up...

I actually, think you're going to find oblivion out there. I asked Elliot which party these right wing masses are members of NOW. He didn't seem to know.

excon

Yes it is because the NY 23rd is an example of the overall problem with the Republican party.

Why was John McCain the standard bearer in 2008 ? Because he was the next in line. There were better candidates than him but he had seniority and was one of the pale shades of pastels .

Why was Scozzafava selected by the party bosses in a smoke filled room ? Because it was her reward for being a party hack. It did not matter that she was more radically liberal than her Democrat opponent . She was next in line according to the Republican version of Tamney Hall. The party bosses are entrenched and needs to be uprooted .