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  • Oct 21, 2009, 09:36 AM
    George_1950
    Time for a new 'crisis' - Obama's numbers head south
    "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13. That’s just a point above the lowest level ever recorded for this President. It’s also the sixth straight day in negative double digits, matching the longest such streak (see trends). Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports
  • Oct 21, 2009, 09:43 AM
    tomder55

    Must be all that marginalizing of FOX News making the difference . Clearly that strategery is working !
  • Oct 21, 2009, 09:52 AM
    tomder55
    Rhambo : not to worry boss ....ya see ;me, Valerie, an Axle will go on the Sunday mornin talk shows this week and call Scott Rasmussen names and say that his opinions are twisted ....yeah that's da ticket !!
  • Oct 21, 2009, 09:54 AM
    spitvenom

    I always find it funny one poll says what George posted then Gallup poll says 50 approve and 40 disapprove. I don't get it
  • Oct 21, 2009, 10:10 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by spitvenom View Post
    I always find it funny one poll says what George posted then Gallup poll says 50 approve and 40 disapprove. I don't get it

    They're polls. There are tons of them, people post the one whose results line up with their ideology.
  • Oct 21, 2009, 10:35 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    They're polls. There are tons of them, people post the one whose results line up with their ideology.

    Actually you say that for every poll we post... ALL of which seem to say the same thing.

    If it was one poll, you'd have an argument. But it's ALL of them. Even the liberal organizations' polls show Obama's numbers falling badly.

    Elliot
  • Oct 21, 2009, 10:43 AM
    NeedKarma
    Like this one
    Poll shows support for public option - washingtonpost.com

    Or this one
    RNC?s Michael Steele Admits that The Public Option is Popular | Politicususa.com
  • Oct 21, 2009, 11:52 AM
    ETWolverine
    Ohhh you got me!!

    Not!!

    What do the polls you are citing have to do with the fact that Obama's popularity numbers and approval ratings are falling?

    As for the WAPO push poll, did you notice this?

    Quote:

    Overall, given what you know about them, would you say you support or oppose the proposed changes to the health-care system being developed by Congress and the Obama Administration?

    Support: 45% (26% strongly)
    Oppose: 48% (36% strongly)
    That doesn't look like overwhelming support to me.

    Or did you notice how this question was asked?

    Quote:

    Which of these would you prefer:

    A plan that includes some form of government-sponsored health insurance for people who can't get affordable private insurance, but is approved without support from Republicans in Congress?

    (51% overall approval)

    Or

    A plan that is approved with support from Republicans in Congress, but does not include any form of government-sponsored health insurance for people who can't get affordable private insurance?

    (36% overall support)
    The problem with that question is that neither of these options tells the truth. The government-option is not going to be limited to only those who cannot get affordable health care. Therefore people were voting on something that has no basis in reality.

    If the question were truthful and asked people whether they would support a government health plan that is open to EVERYONE for now and will eventually become the ONLY FORM OF HEALTHCARE provided in the USA, I wonder what the results would be.

    Actually I don't... 80% of Americans would vote against it right off the bat.

    The poll was a push poll specifically devised to have an outcome that is beneficial to the Dems. But it isn't reality-based.

    So even in this poll, where Americans made it clear that they do not support Obama's and Congress' proposals for health care reform, the pollsters STILL couldn't be honest in their questions.

    Elliot
  • Oct 21, 2009, 01:16 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post

    Did you notice this part of the demographics of this poll?

    Democrat 33%
    Republican 20%

    I wonder why Dems would come up with a different answer than everyone else? Or how about this poll - also skewed toward Dems in the sampling - which shows the public is more concerned about the economy than Democrat favorites health care reform and climate change combined?
  • Oct 21, 2009, 01:23 PM
    twinkiedooter

    George - I believe your poll numbers are probably low. I'm sure his disapproval numbers are much, much higher and his approval numbers are in the single digits but the public won't be privy to that particular poll as it would be closer to the truth.

    America is obviously just starting to catch on to this bozo's lame brained "cabinet" and ill advised advisors. It's just a matter of time until the military does a bloodless coup and takes the clown goosestepped out of the White House. I'm sure FOX news will be broadcasting that scene live and then rerunning the piece over and over again 24/7 for at least a week or more.
  • Oct 21, 2009, 01:25 PM
    excon

    Hello:

    His numbers are dropping?? Yawwwwn... So, when is it a surprise that a presidents initial popularity begins to wan??

    Let me know when he starts sending Republicans to FEMA re-education camps, or starts killing old farts. Then I'll get excited.

    excon
  • Oct 21, 2009, 01:45 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    His numbers are dropping??? Yawwwwn... So, when is it a surprise that a presidents initial popularity begins to wan???

    Begins? He's been waning for months and it's been a pretty dramatic fall from the Messiah status he held in January. Unlike bush who didn't care what the polls said Obama can't live without his popularity so I think it's quite significant.

    Why is is he so intent on marginalizing Fox News? Why do you think they've put so much effort into controlling the message? Why do you think anyone that reflects poorly on him soon has tire tracks across their forehead?
  • Oct 21, 2009, 01:48 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by twinkiedooter View Post
    George - I believe your poll numbers are probably low. I'm sure his disapproval numbers are much, much higher and his approval numbers are in the single digits but the public won't be privy to that particular poll as it would be closer to the truth.

    America is obviously just starting to catch on to this bozo's lame brained "cabinet" and ill advised advisors. It's just a matter of time until the military does a bloodless coup and takes the clown goosestepped out of the White House. I'm sure FOX news will be broadcasting that scene live and then rerunning the piece over and over again 24/7 for at least a week or more.

    Yes and who are you going to get to replace him, someone with the intelligence of a McChrystal or a Biden
  • Oct 21, 2009, 01:51 PM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by twinkiedooter View Post
    George - I believe your poll numbers are probably low. I'm sure his disapproval numbers are much, much higher and his approval numbers are in the single digits but the public won't be privy to that particular poll as it would be closer to the truth.

    America is obviously just starting to catch on to this bozo's lame brained "cabinet" and ill advised advisors.

    I'm right with you up till this point, Twink.


    Quote:

    It's just a matter of time until the military does a bloodless coup and takes the clown goosestepped out of the White House. I'm sure FOX news will be broadcasting that scene live and then rerunning the piece over and over again 24/7 for at least a week or more.
    Here is where you go a bit overboard.

    The military isn't going to perform a coup, because Obama hasn't done anything illegal or unconstitutional. He isn't going to be "goosestepped" anywhere. He is simply going to lose Congress in 2010 and then in 2012 he will be voted out of office in the greatest landslide since Reagan. There WILL be a grassroots uprising and a huge increase in legal political activism, but there won't be a coup. We don't need one.

    I DO think that Fox will have the last laugh though. On that we are in agreement.

    Elliot
  • Oct 21, 2009, 01:51 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Why is is he so intent on marginalizing Fox News?

    Hello again, Steve:

    Fox News is marginalizing Obama's troops, so it's either stay on the defensive, or get tough on offense. I thought you liked the get tough types.

    Frankly, he wouldn't BE playing defense if he hadn't appointed people like that no tax paying SOB Geithner...

    excon
  • Oct 21, 2009, 01:55 PM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello:

    His numbers are dropping??? Yawwwwn... So, when is it a surprise that a presidents initial popularity begins to wan???

    Wonderful. Please keep that attitude going. Please spread it among your fellow liberals. It'll make the 2010 and 2012 elections that much easier to win.

    Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
    ---Napoleon Bonaparte
  • Oct 21, 2009, 01:58 PM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    yes and who are you going to get to replace him, someone with the intelligence of a McChrystal or a Biden

    Legally, it would be Biden. The VP takes over for the Prez if the Prez is unable to continue in office.

    But that would have two unfortunate consequences.

    1) It would make Biden the President.
    2) It would make Nancy Pelosi Vice President.

    Better to wait for an election and just remove the whole bunch of idiots in one shot.

    Elliot
  • Oct 21, 2009, 02:22 PM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Fox News is marginalizing Obama's troops, so it's either stay on the defensive, or get tough on offense. I thought you liked the get tough types.

    Frankly, he wouldn't BE playing defense if he hadn't appointed people like that no tax paying SOB Geithner...

    excon

    I agree, though Geithner is just ONE example of a bad appointment.

    When a NAMBLA supporter gets appointed to the position of highest educator of children in the land, there's definitely a problem with Obama's appointments.

    When he appoints lobbyists to his administration just days after promissing not to appoint any lobbyists to his administration, there's a problem.

    When he appoints a "green czar" that has promised to use environmentalism as a tool to dismantle the US economy... and also happens to have been caught on camera cussing out the political opposition... there's a problem.

    When he appoints an FCC diversity czar who refuses to accept diversity of opinions other than his own on the radio, there's a problem.

    When Obama appoints as the head purchaser of weapons for the military (the Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics) a man who is an avowed pacifist who has stated his goal is the ELIMINATION of all military weapons (a guy by the name of Ashton Carter), there is clearly a problem.

    When he appoints to the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel a woman who has actively protested every single security measure put in place to protect the USA since 9/11, and who has stated that "pregnancy equals slavery" (a woman named Dawn Johansen), there's a problem.

    Why pick on Geithner, when you have this whole fruit salad to pick from?

    Elliot
  • Oct 21, 2009, 02:32 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Fox News is marginalizing Obama's troops, so it's either stay on the defensive, or get tough on offense. I thought you liked the get tough types.

    And I thought you liked tough types keeping Washington accountable.

    Did you catch Rhambo's little suggestion to the rest of the media, "it’s important not to have the CNN’s and the others of the world being led and following Fox." Why do you think he said that? There's only one network doing the job of the adversarial media that was such a good thing before last November and that's Fox News. Rham doesn't want the other media following their lead and exposing this administration. He can't control Fox like he can the others and that pi$$es him off.

    Quote:

    Frankly, he wouldn't BE playing defense if he hadn't appointed people like that no tax paying SOB Geithner...
    Or Daschle, or Dancer and Prancer and Blitzen? That's what you get for electing such a rank amateur to the highest office in the land.
  • Oct 21, 2009, 02:48 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    When a NAMBLA supporter gets appointed to the position of highest educator of children in the land, there's definitely a problem with Obama's appointments.

    Hello again, Elliot:

    When Fox lies as they do, and you repeat them, is just one reason why Obama declared them to be NOT a news org.

    The safe schools czar, Kevin Jennings, described in writings and speeches how a high-school student confided to him in 1988 that he was having a relationship with an older man.

    The student has since spoken out in defense of Jennings, claiming he was 16 at the time, which was the legal age in Massachusetts, and that he was not sexually active.

    THIS you take to mean he's a NAMBLA supporter...

    Bonkerss, Dude. Totally bonkers.

    excon

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