Ask Me Help Desk - How and Why Would You Follow Christ Jesus?

The scripture message, that men are cursed to trust man, would be a comparison to the commandment of having no other gods. To permit flesh/man to be the arm they reach to and follow, would be entering temptation.

Our Lord has promised to search the hearts of man. And in that search, Our Lord would see who man loves, what man treasures in life enough to make it the way of his life. What has man worked to achieve in his life.

I reference the scripture as truth of The Word, Prophecies Addressed to Jews

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

How would you follow Christ Jesus? Why would you follow Christ? This thread could bring attention to the amazing truth of who Christ is in our daily life.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sndbay

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

How would you follow Christ Jesus? Why would you follow Christ? This thread could bring attention to the amazing truth of who Christ is in our daily life.

How about because Jeremiah was comparing verse (17:5) quoted above, as being true when the JEWS lacked the obedience and needed to be told, trust in the Lord (Jeremiah 17:7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is)

AND

(Jeremiah 17:10) does reference Christ Jesus ability to search the hearts of man referenced in (Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.)

This is saying He/Christ knows the mind of the Spirit.. And we understand that the mind of the Spirit is (John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me ).

So I would follow Christ, in the spirit, which is within my heart to do. And Christ will make intercession according to the Will of God, Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all.

Godly fear in obedience:

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

So what are your works in life? What are the achievements? Who is Christ in your daily life?

Quote:

Originally Posted by sndbay

How would you follow Christ Jesus? Why would you follow Christ? This thread could bring attention to the amazing truth of who Christ is in our daily life.

I follow Jesus Christ because I know who he is, this is from experiece and also from revelation. I have a long testimany of what Jesus has done for me, but I know that before I began to follow him I was truly lost, an alcoholic, a person who relied on himself but achieved little, a person who made many mistakes in relationships particularly in my family, a person for whom rejection coloured my life.

If by "how" you mean which church would I go to? I have come to realise it doesn't so much matter which door you walk in as it does whether you know the owner of the house. In some Churches , sadly, you will not be introduced to the owner of the house. So, learn as much as you can about what Jesus taught and then apply it

sndbay,
I follow Jesus as He and his apostles direct me to.
I participate in the sacraments God instituted and in The Church Jesus founded.
He is may Lord and Savior, King of the universe, so there is no "Why do I do otherwise?"
For me it is the only way to go and live and I do believe it is the only way for anyone who wants life everlasting to go and live.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I'd like to tell why I found the heart of desire to post this thread question, and how the scripture message became so important.

It started with a search in the scriptures, that led me to several scriptures saying, "GOD will search the hearts of man."

I trust that the judgement of man is done by our Lord, and HIS search is within the heart, and not based on the surrounding influences of the flesh. It is more on how we permit those surrounding influences to enter within our heart. Whether we enjoy them and give love towards them compared to not enjoying them, and refusing to accept them.

Christ told the disciples to watch and pray. That He did not want them to enter into temptation.

The tempations we can enter into comes by the surrounding influences.

*** so this is where it started, I became more aware of what our Lord is teaching in the book of Jeremiah concerning the JEWS. How we today have to causion our hearts of love, and make sure we accept ONE FAITH, ONE LORD, ONE Baptism, and ONE GOD and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Before my day ended,(and this was after the posted thread), I received an email from someone I know very well. And the contents of the email was that they had been studying the History of the JEWS. They said it was clear to them after reading this new book, that the JEWS had all good intention to worship God. That they loved God and did the things they did to show their love to God.

*** WATCH and pray, the influence the new book had on this person was saying.. Look at this differently then what Jeremiah has written

My answer would be->No to the man that wrote this new book...BUT What Jeremiah wrote, and what our Lord had to say concerning the JEWS was of truth.

What Jeremiah does say is how the people, the priests, and the house of God were all followed after man. The influences of their lives became the love of their heart.
Jeremiah is telling us that God is the all knowing of the heart. God searches the heart to know and told us that the JEWS were following man.

Point being who do you believe? Who do you follow?

Every word written in scripture is from the Spirit of truth. The ensample of faith and following in good works was told of in Hebrews 11.

We are not told by the mouth of God to do as the JEWS had done.

Clearly we are told to love people and given of our hearts, HOWEVER!! Commandment ONE!!! thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength (The desire of within ourselves to follow God)

Jeremiah 17:7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.

SALVATION

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto HE called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Jeremiah 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke ME not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by paraclete

If by "how" you mean which church would I go to? I have come to realise it doesn't so much matter which door you walk in as it does whether you know the owner of the house.

So very true, and where our REST is, would be found in Christ. Not necessarily in a house built of hands but within ourselves throughtout everyday in the experiences we live, and share with others in love and faith.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay,
I follow Jesus as He and his apostles direct me to.
I participate in the sacraments God instituted and in The Church Jesus founded.
He is may Lord and Savior, King of the universe, so there is no "Why do I do otherwise?"
For me it is the only way to go and live and I do believe it is the only way for anyone who wants life everlasting to go and live.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

In the first church spoken by the Spirit of truth

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

You are being built by our Lord

EPH 2:19-20-21-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

So we are members of the first church

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

sndbay,
Yes I am a member of the first Church established by Jesus where the sacraments are honored and celebrated by His disciples and Apostles where the grace of God flourishes in marvelous buildings built by people for their love of God in which God is worshiped.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay,
Yes I am a member of the first Church established by Jesus where the sacraments are honored and celebrated by His disciples and Apostles where the grace of God flourishes in marvelous buildings built by people for their love of God in which God is worshiped.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

And I was not speaking of anything built by the hands of man..

We are the body of Christ, and members in particular, the fleshy tables of the heart. We that are sanctified in Christ (Hebrews 2:11-12 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. )

EPH 2:21-22In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

sndbay,
Yes I know you were not speaking of things built by men, but I did because Christ came to serve us with His infinite and perfect love and mercy in saving us from hell.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

The Word of God is Truth

When in the spirit, we are sanctified in Christ. Therefore we abide in Christ, and Christ dwells within us. (John 15:4 John 15:7)

Phl 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel)

Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular

AND as a temple in which Christ dwells, we that are "in the spirit " And can be the unity of ONE FAITH, with the knowledge of the Son of God. No man's hand created us, because we are begotten again unto hope by resurrection with and in Christ (1 Peter 1:3)

There is no denomination, No dividing Christ, Quench not the Spirit

And we are kept by the power of God through faith (1 Peter 1:5)

(Matthew 11:28-29-30) REST

EPH 4:13-14-15-16 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

EPH 2:21-22 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Once and For All

Col 2:14-15-16-17 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. KJV

~in Christ

sndbay,
I believe in and am a member of The Church Jesus founded caling it "My Church".
I believe he did that for a purpose for His followers to be members thereof.
The bible tells us that it is the pillar and support of the truth.
1 Tim 3: 15. But in case I am delayed, I write so that you may know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.
So that is why I joined it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay,
I believe in and am a member of The Church Jesus founded caling it "My Church".
I believe he did that for a purpose for His followers to be members thereof.

Remember what Jesus said concerning all:
It is only the man/whosoever that the Father permits, will Christ then reveal truth.

Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come to Christ! Christ is the begotten Son of God who gives rest

Matthew 11:28 Come unto "ME", all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:29-30 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Also shown: revealed by our Father to Peter, the spiritual truth concerning Christ

Matthew 16:16-17 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcura

The bible tells us that it is the pillar and support of the truth.
1 Tim 3: 15. but in case I am delayed, I write so that you may know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.
So that is why I joined it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred the church is the household members of God. And this teaching in which you have referenced was written by Paul to discipline the church/household.

Timothy was given instructions in orderly arrangement for the church. Some of the members there had turned aside altogether, and denied vital truth and did overthrow the faith of some.

Paul's warning of discipline was sent to enlighten the opposers. How the evil spread like leave rising is only too plainly shown in Paul's second epistle which has been termed a picture of ruin of the church through the members departure from the apostolic doctrine.

Instruction and discipline shown in verses ( 2:1 thr 3:13 )

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

1Timothy 3:5 For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?

The Mystery of Godliness connected to the verse you reference is in how they should behave as members in Christ :
(Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.)

continues to say: That Christ is within each member that acts according to the manifest flesh that was justified in the Spirit.
That manifest Flesh and Spirit being none other then "Christ and HIS Righteousness"

Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

That is how members should behave themselves..Having and walking in the Spirit of righteousness in following Christ

So if we see and hear the truth, some men can be blind to the truth. However, every man should be like the blind man, Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus.

This man knew who to call upon. This blind man knew his one hope of life, and the only chance he had for a new life. That new life was found in calling upon Christ. In the one hope of today and forever follow Christ.
(Mark 10:46-52)

~in Christ

Back to the thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by sndbay

How would you follow Christ Jesus? Why would you follow Christ? This thread could bring attention to the amazing truth of who Christ is in our daily life.

This is how and why I follow Chirst Jesus,with the Holy Spirit in me I bring every
Thought captivity to the obedience of Christ. I love the Lord with all my heart,
Soul, mind and being, and am committed to be responsible, and accountable to Jesus.
All I do and say, I pray, is from the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Way the
Truth and the Life for me. I choose to follow Jesus and do His will, Loving, Forgiving,
And to serve others in Jesus name. This takes a discipline, and a close intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus, to fully know Him and to love Him with all your being.
His Word, the Bible brings alive His love and Will for our life. I Love the Lord so
Much I can hardly stand it. HALLELUJAH

Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

Maggie 3,
Good for you.
That's the way I believe and feel also.
God Almighty is the Triune God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit with infinite, perfect and eternal attributes such as love and mercy, wisdom and understanding; the creator of all that can be seen and unseen.
There is no other so why would anyone not believe and feel as you and I do?
It s a big mystery to me.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggie 3

His Word, the Bible brings alive His love and Will for our life. I Love the Lord so much I can hardly stand it. HALLELUJAH

Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

Bingo.. and a wonderful testimony in whom is shown that Christ is the voice Maggie hears. And the spirit of truth that can work in us.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

This holds true to the power and control our Father has in each of us that are sanctified through Christ Jesus. And the REST we are able to call upon and trust.

John 10:29-30 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.

Maggie, too has mentioned how her testimony can be found in the volume of the book known to us as the Bible.

Psalm 40:7-8 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

It is Prescribed/Written

2 Kings 22:13 Go ye, enquire of the LORD for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found: for great is the wrath of the LORD that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us.

The Word of God being Christ Jesus remined HIS supposed father, Joseph, and His mother Mary. That He, being the branch of righteousness, was written of according to scripture. Why then would Christ have to question them concerning their search for HIM because they too should trust, and believe the spirit of truth found and written in the Word of God.

Luke 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

The same truth concerning Christ that was written in the OT AND is also written in the NT (Hebrew 10:7 10:9)

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcura

It s a big mystery to me.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

This too is written of Fred. There should be no mystery because we have been foretold all things (Mark 13:23)

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

All in who we follow and who we hear..

Thanks Fred, this goes back to the thread scriptures that were referenced. How to follow Christ, and why to follow Christ

~in Christ

In response to: Why would you follow Christ? How would you follow Christ Jesus?

We follow Christ because we are a part of God's Creation and as such receive God's love. "For thou lovest all things that are, and hatest none of the things which thou hast made: for thou didst not appoint, or make anything hating it." (Wis 11:25) God shows his abundant mercies to those who love Him. (Exodus 20:6) It is right and proper to return that love. And we know that God “was in Christ” who suffered our sins. (Cf. 2 Cor 12:19-21) Thus to love God is to love Christ who was the fulfillment of the prophecy bringing forth the Messianic Lord of the Kingdom of God. We become members of Christ's body (the Kingdom of God). Which, in its turn, brings us back again to the light of God's love. As St. Augustine said, “God loves all things that He has made, and amongst them rational creatures more, and of these especially those who are members of His only-begotten Son Himself." (Tractates on John CX).

In following Christ we pick up our cross and follow Him guided by His Apostles, deacons, Popes, Bishops and priests in the orthodoxy of our Catholic faith. Christ sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Apostles, to enlighten his Vicar and guide His Holy Catholic Church, the bride of Christ, to follow. Thus for two millennia right reasoned faith guides us to follow Christ for our salvation; “Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled [orthodoxy], without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.” (Quicunque vult, attributed to St. Athanasius). Thus crossing the threshold of Baptism the living enter the Kingdom of God in a mystical union of souls in the worship of the object of love, God. It's only here that we find redemption through the instruments of His sacraments; its only here that we find the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic truth of salvation. I follow Christ as he commanded, within His Kingdom, the Catholic Church, bearing the cross He gave me, as one member in a body of many parts (Cf. 1 Corinthians 12:12).

It's in God's love that we persevere with fear and trembling while working out our salvation. (Cf. Phil 2:12)

JoeT

I don't worship jesus, I agree that faith in anything of flesh is a disappointment in advance... It has been shown that other cultures have the same philosophical beliefs about there own "jesus." It all seems to break down to egytian mythology, I do respect and strive to practice the teachings that are told to be of jesus, if he was around he was a damn good guy. If story is true I believe he ascended to his divinity, not descended from God, all food for thought though I guess, no ones ever met either lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeT777

For thou lovest all things that are, and hatest none of the things which thou hast made: for thou didst not appoint, or make anything hating it. (Wis 11:25)

Joe what is (WIS11:25)

We know that Christ said he came not to give peace but division between good and evil. (Luke 12:51) and it is also written that God loved Jacob and hated Esau (Romans 9:13)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeT777

God shows his abundant mercies to those who love Him. (Exodus 20:6)

(and keep my commandments.)

Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeT777

We become members of Christ's body (the Kingdom of God). Which, in its turn, brings us back again to the light of God's love.

We can be sanctifiieth members in one body with Christ, but that is determined by the Father

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Hebrew 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren

Hebrew 10:11 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

1 Corthinains 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeT777

As St. Augustine said, “God loves all things that He has made, and amongst them rational creatures more, and of these especially those who are members of His only-begotten Son Himself." (Tractates on John CX).

Man shall live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeT777

In following Christ we pick up our cross and follow Him guided by His Apostles, deacons, Popes, Bishops and priests in the orthodoxy of our Catholic faith. Christ sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Apostles, to enlighten his Vicar and guide His Holy Catholic Church, the bride of Christ, to follow.

I trust we follow Christ by denying ourselved and to do the will of God. We are kept by the power of God through faith. We are the temple for the Holy Spirit, and we walk in the spirit. Christ dwells within us. This is all by the power of ONE God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Eze 11:19-20 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeT777

Thus for two millennia right reasoned faith guides us to follow Christ for our salvation; “Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith.

I trust it is best to believe in what the Words in scripture speak of holding stedfast in our one hope of the calling.
ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Baptism, One God and Father

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeT777

Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled [orthodoxy], without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.” (Quicunque vult, attributed to St. Athanasius).

Joe according to what I have recently review that was written by the Pope Benedict, the members within the Body of Christ known as being baptized into the Catholic church denomination, are all sinners that can or may find newness of life by a ongoing call to conversion.

How do those members achieve the newness of life? How and when do those members believe they can be holy because Christ is Holy. When are they begotten again and raised to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled. I believe we are buried in Christ when baptized into newness of life.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

REFER Pope Benedict Quote: In Catholic theology we teach what the early fathers, Saints and Councils throughout the ages have all affirmed; to belong to Jesus is to belong to His Body. Our membership in the Church is a participation in the life of God; what the Apostle Peter referred to as a “participation in the Divine nature”.
We speak of our Christian friends in other Christian communities who have been validly baptized in accordance with a Trinitarian formula as already being in “imperfect communion” with the One Church.
This is why Catholics do not “re-baptize” a Christian from another community who comes into the Catholic Church.
We speak of them as coming into “full communion” because they are already joined to the one Church in an “imperfect” or incomplete communion.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church, citing several ancient sources, states: “To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church.
The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world."

According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.

This Church is both human and divine; thus her members still sin

Pope Benedict's 'Impelling Duty': Rebuild the Full and Visible Unity of the Church - Catholic Online

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeT777

Thus crossing the threshold of Baptism the living enter the Kingdom of God in a mystical union of souls in the worship of the object of love, God. It's only here that we find redemption through the instruments of His sacraments; its only here that we find the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic truth of salvation.

From what is presented by the Pope, the baptism you speak of within the Kingdom of God is actually the Church. Thus the Kingdom of God is made up of sinners? That find redemption through the instruments of HIS sacraments?