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  • Sep 26, 2009, 04:51 PM
    Lightning55
    Implicit Differentiation and Second Derivative
    Okay, I have the first derivative, but I'm not sure.
    This is the original equation



    and so...



    What I don't get is that we have to solve the first derivative at (3,7). Do I just plug in the 7 into dy/dx or did I do something wrong in getting the derivative?

    And for the second derivative, I just got



    Am I doing something wrong or is this right?
  • Sep 27, 2009, 04:26 AM
    galactus
    The first derivative should be . No negative.

    Now, to find the second derivative, differentiate 1/(y+1):

    Quotient rule:



    But, remember that y'=1/(y+1). Sub that in:



    Also, from what I can tell, the point (3,7) does not lie on the curve, but (7,3) does.

    I think you may have them reversed.

    Therefore, if y=3, then for the first derivative we have 1/(1+3)=1/4
  • Sep 27, 2009, 08:10 AM
    Unknown008

    Good catch for the (3,7) coordinate Galactus. However, I didn't see a negative sign in front of the first derivative... :)

    I was answering the question when the second derivative got me confused. Thank you, now I know how to cope with such a derivation :)
  • Sep 27, 2009, 08:55 AM
    galactus
    Quote:

    However, I didn't see a negative sign in front of the first derivative... :)
    There is none in the first derivative, but there is in the second. Look close at the quotient rule.
  • Sep 27, 2009, 09:11 AM
    Unknown008

    Ah, the way you put it... it sounded as if the first derivative was good except for the negative sign..

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by galactus
    The first derivative should be

  • Sep 27, 2009, 09:14 AM
    Lightning55

    Oh I get it. Somehow when I was using the quotient rule, I got -y instead of -y'

    And no, I did not have a negative function for the first derivative.

    And yes, I may have the points mixed up.

    Thanks.

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