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  • Jul 31, 2009, 10:31 AM
    survivorboi
    how do I solve this?
    The sum of the squares of two positive integers is 193. The product
    of the two integers is 84. What is the sum of the two integers?

    How do I solve it?
  • Jul 31, 2009, 10:36 AM
    Unknown008

    Assign letters to the unknown integers.

    Let x be the first one, and y the second one.

    From the first piece of info;



    From the second piece of info;



    It's a simultaneous equation. Find their values, then you'll be able to write down the sum of the two integers. :)
  • Jul 31, 2009, 11:21 AM
    survivorboi

    But the problem is that I haven't studied quadratic equations yet. How then, I know what is xy=84?

    84/x=y?
  • Jul 31, 2009, 12:16 PM
    Unknown008

    Oh, I thought you understood these... sorry.. :o

    Ok, here we go! :)





    Yes, start by making one of them the subject of formula.



    Then, replace it in the first equation. You now know the 'equivalent' of y, replace all y by that equivalent:






    Multiply everything by x^2 to remove fractions;



    Now rearrange to the same side:





    Therefore, x = 7 or 12.

    And so is y.

    And the sum of the integers is (12 + 7)= 19!

    :)
  • Jul 31, 2009, 06:12 PM
    survivorboi




    Therefore, x = 7 or 12.

    And so is y.

    And the sum of the integers is (12 + 7)= 19!


    Umm, please go back and explain how you got from x^4 to x^2 and how you got 49 and 144 please. Where did 7056 goo?
  • Aug 1, 2009, 11:21 AM
    galactus
    Rewrite it as

    Then, factor.

    What two numbers when multiplied equal 7056 and when added equal -193?

    How about -144 and -49

    (-144)(-49)=7056

    -144+(-49)=-193









    Now, because it was an x^4 in the beginning, put an x^2 back in place of the x



    Note these are the difference of two squares:



    But

    So, we have
  • Aug 1, 2009, 11:32 AM
    Unknown008

    To add to galactus explanation, I'll put it like this.

    You let for example

    What will you have?



    If a = x^2, then a^2 = x^4. So;



    Then factorise normally, to have:



    Then, replace back to x^2, you have:



    And, solving, you have:







    But since the integers are only positive, you consider only 7.

    The same thing goes for the other integer. :)
  • Aug 7, 2009, 11:15 AM
    survivorboi

    THanks guys =)
  • Aug 8, 2009, 12:28 AM
    Unknown008

    You're welcomed suvivorboi! Care to take a look at my thread? There are lots of challenging questions! :)

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/mathem...ns-384108.html

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