Here it is.

http://www.rollcall.com/pdfs/healthchart072309.pdf

Also, as a JPG:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attach...1&d=1248447812

Can anyone make heads or tails of this?

If I have an issue with my health care and want to call someone in the government health care system to discuss the issue, who do I speak to?

I know that some larger companies, including large insurance companies, have some pretty confusing org charts. Still, most companies have a call center, and you can generally find out who your account manager is, pretty quick.

But can anyone follow this monstrosity?

This is the greater efficiency that is going to save us all that money?

Elliot

LOL! That's brutal!

Yep, posted it yesterday although AMHD seems to have problems displaying the linked graphic. I'll try it as an attachment.

That's government efficiency at its best. What's telling also is the Dems are trying to block the GOP from sending this in a mailing to their constituents.

Seems pretty clear to me. By the time you get through all the red tape the majority of patients will be dead. No more worries about paying for some surgery that they have already deemed unnecessary.

Looks like my factory's flow cart

According to the source listed at the bottom of the flow chart this is from the GOP. Explains why it is so crazy looking. I'll wait for the REAL flow chart to come out.

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LOL! That's brutal!

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It's also the real thing. I wasn't joking. Scary isn't it.

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looks like my factory's flow cart

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Duuuuude!! You have a screwed up factory.

Who the heck designed it, and does he have any extra of whatever he was smoking?

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According to the source listed at the bottom of the flow chart this is from the GOP. Explains why it is so crazy looking. I'll wait for the REAL flow chart to come out.

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Actually, it's from GOP members of the committee that created the flow chart in the first place, based on the working papers of that committee. The Dems would like to distance themselves from it, but it's the real deal.

Elliot

Good thing nothing is finalized yet always room for improvement. Lucky for me I don't need the public option (well at least at this very moment). That would suck if that is how it is really going to be I got motion sickness just trying to follow it

Page 16 of the bill shows you will shortly be joining the ranks of the publicly insured . Steve already linked to this but it is worth repeating
IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- It's Not An Option

By the way ;are the rumors about fast Eddie Rendell true ?

Actually, included (hidden within) in the chart I posted is the current system we have.

I can summarize it here.

Employers <-> Consumers -> insurance companies -> health care providers -> consumers <->employers

Employers and consumers pay the insurance companies. Insurance companies pay the health care providers. Health care providers provide services to the consumer. Consumers work for the employer. It's a pretty simple, mutually beneficial relationship.

The government plan?? I got no idea where it starts or ends.

Elliot

This one seems to explain more: www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf

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This one seems to explain more: www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf

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Well, it explains IN VERY GENERAL TERMS what Obama wants to accomplish.

It doesn't say HOW he will accomplish these things.
It doesn't talk about who will pay for it.
It doesn't talk about how much it will cost.
It doesn't say who will be in charge of implementation.

In short, all this is is a summary of Obama's talking points. As that sort of document, it's a good summary. But like every summary, it leaves out the details. Unlike MANY summaries, it leaves out the IMPORTANT details.

It is what it is. But it doesn't really tell us very much.

Elliot

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btw ;are the rumors about fast Eddie Rendell true ?

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Can you be a little more specific I hear a lot of rumors about him.

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This one seems to explain more: www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf

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Um, NK... that "full" health care 'plan' is over a thousand pages short of what's actually in the bill.

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Um, NK...that "full" health care 'plan' is over a thousand pages short of what's actually in the bill.

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Yea but in this thread we only link to single page PDFs.

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Yea but in this thread we only link to single page PDFs.

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Is that as far as you can count?

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Yea but in this thread we only link to single page PDFs.

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What do you mean "we"?

Elliot

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Is that as far as you can count?

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hahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhah ahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahaha. Sometimes it's hard to believe you are a grown man.