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  • Jul 19, 2009, 02:02 PM
    Vi Nguyen
    differential calc when the volume radius and height is changing
    If water was leaking from an inverted conical tank at a rate of 10 000 cm³/min and at the same time water form another source is entering the tank at a constant rate Q. The tank is 6m high and the diameter at the top is 4m (r=2m=200cm). If the water level is rising at a rate of 20cm/min when the hight of water is 2m (200cm), find Q (rate going in the tank).

    That is the question, I have converted all the numerics to cm, volume of cone as (1/3)pi.r²h and differentiated this with respect to time using the product rule to get:

    dV/dt= (2/3)pi.r.(dr/dt)h+(1/3)pi.r².(dh/dt)

    with r=(1/3)h=200/3 (this is from drawing diagram and letting (r/200)=(h/600))
    h=200
    (dr/dt)=(dr/dh)x(dh/dt)=(1/3)x20=20/3
    (dh/dt)=20

    and ended with an answer of (dV/dt), then reasoning that Q=(dV/dt)-10 000(rate going out of tank) to get 269252.6803cm³/min but the answer should have been (10000+800000.pi)/9=289252.6803 cm³/min, where have I gone wrong or am I totally off track?
  • Jul 19, 2009, 04:16 PM
    galactus
    If I follow your work correctly, it looks find. You probably just have an arithmetic error since your solution is so similar.

    The volume of a cone is given by ... [1]

    By similar triangles, we have



    Sub into [1]:



    Differentiate implicitly:



    But,



    dh/dt=20 and h=200 cm:



    Solving for Q gives
  • Jul 20, 2009, 07:40 AM
    Unknown008
    You error comes in here:

    Quote:

    and ended with an answer of (dV/dt), then reasoning that Q=(dV/dt)-10 000(rate going out of tank) to get 269252.6803cm³/min but the answer should have been (10000+800000.pi)/9=289252.6803 cm³/min, where have I gone wrong or am I totally off track?
    It is Q=(dV/dt)+10 000
  • Jul 21, 2009, 06:04 AM
    Vi Nguyen
    Hey your really good! I figured this out after sitting down and playing around a bit and writing the DE again. :)

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    You error comes in here:



    It is Q=(dV/dt)+10 000

  • Jul 21, 2009, 06:24 AM
    Unknown008
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Vi Nguyen View Post
    Hey ur really good! I figured this out after sitting down and playing around a bit and writing the DE again. :)

    You're welcomed! :)

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