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  • Jul 13, 2009, 07:15 AM
    shulta44
    No water in toilet bowl
    I just installed a new toilet american standard cadet 3. There appear to be no leaks, BUT the bowl does not fill with much water. A few inches. When I flush it splashes every where. I even tried filling the bowl with water from a bucket but it just runs down to its original level. Is this the normal level??
    HELP
  • Jul 13, 2009, 07:47 AM
    ballengerb1

    Could be, old toilets used upwards of 3 gallons where as new ones use 1.6 gallons. The sump area of a new toilet will contain much less water than what you replaced if it was an old one. Does the flush action remove all waste efficiently? Can you tell us more about the splashing, where it happens, maybe a picture.
  • Jul 13, 2009, 07:54 AM
    speedball1
    Yeah! What splashes? The tank? The bowl? Clue us in! Are you quite sure the little refill tube from the ballcock to the overflow tube's in place?(see image)
  • Jul 13, 2009, 08:01 AM
    shulta44
    The bowl water splashes. I tried holding the flush lever down a little longer and the bowl filled sufficiently. I will try adjusting the chain.
    Thanks for the replys.
  • Jul 13, 2009, 08:02 AM
    ballengerb1

    Adjust you float so the water fills the tank 1" short of the over flow tube. When you flush does the flapper kick up and stay up for about 10 seconds or more?
  • Jul 13, 2009, 08:14 AM
    shulta44

    No the flapper pops up but closese in just a few seconds
  • Jul 13, 2009, 08:16 AM
    ballengerb1

    Did it pop up almost totally verticle? The falpper should be able to open almost verticle and the slowly float back down as the water drains, try flushing with out the hanlde, just give the chain a pull so the flapper comes fully open, did it fluh better?
  • Jul 13, 2009, 08:38 AM
    shulta44

    The flapper pops up verticley, but slams shut immediately and the bowl does not fill. If I hold the chain for a few seconds the bowl fills fine.
  • Jul 13, 2009, 08:42 AM
    ballengerb1

    Replace the flapper if it doesn't/can't float
  • Jul 13, 2009, 08:45 AM
    shulta44

    There is no water to float in. When you flush the entire tank emptys in a second and the float slams shut. Sorry to be such a pain.
  • Jul 13, 2009, 11:11 AM
    speedball1
    Sounds like your flapper linkage needs adjusting.
    With the flapper seated the linkage wants to have 1/4" of play. Too much play and the flapper doesn't get pulled back enough giving you a short flush. Too tight and it lets water seep past the flapper. I adjust the chain by the link and if it needs fine tuning, I bend the flush lever rod a bit until I have the desired play in the linkage. One more thing about a flapper. you will see where the old flapper hooks onto the base of the white overflow tube. On a older type with no hooks the flapper has a ring that slips down over the overflow tube to the seat,(see image). If your tank has hooks, take a sharp knife or scissors and cut the neoprene ring off on the marks provided and hook the flapper on the hooks. Leaving the ring on will interfere with the flush. The water level in your tank should be 3/8 to 1/2" below the top of the overflow tube when the tank's filled. And the little tube wants to run from the ballcock and connect to the white overflow tube..
  • Jul 13, 2009, 11:38 AM
    shulta44

    Thanks for all the input guys. Still driving me nuts. It has to be the way the toilet is designed. The tank emptys completely and quickly and the flapper has no other choice than to slam shut. I've played with the linkage, to no avail. My other toilets, some water remains in the tank and the flapper slowly drops allowing the bowl to fill. So I understand what is happening, just not how to fix, or if it even can be fixed. THANKS for all the replys and help.
  • Jul 13, 2009, 12:33 PM
    ballengerb1

    Was the tnk filled up to about 1" below the over flow tube before you flushed?
  • Jul 13, 2009, 02:33 PM
    shulta44

    All set guys. I feel pretty stupid now. After watching my other toilet I noticed that the fill tube for the tank also went into the overflow tube. The fill line was not long enough to reach the tube and there was no clip to hold it in place. So I got a longer tube(Dawson's hardware) and ran it to the tube. Now I have more water in the bowl.
    So THANKS for everything and your time.
  • Jul 13, 2009, 02:42 PM
    ballengerb1

    Good job, Tom's post #3 mentioned that tube.
  • Jul 13, 2009, 02:58 PM
    shulta44

    Yes you are right. My apologies.
  • Jul 13, 2009, 02:59 PM
    ballengerb1

    No, no apologies required. Every post teaches us how to ask better questions.
  • Jul 14, 2009, 06:26 AM
    speedball1
    We're just glad that you solved your problem. If we can ever be of service in the future just ask. Regards. Tom
  • Jul 14, 2009, 02:31 PM
    shulta44

    Thanks guys. Will definitely keep you on the top of my list. Class act!!

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