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  • Oct 15, 2006, 09:51 AM
    zachass
    Same old story. Getting her back.
    So I am new here, but am looking for advice. I will try to be as detailed as possible. My fiancé and I broke up about four and a half months ago. We are both 24, and had been together for roughly five years. We were engaged for a little over a year and no date was set. The reason we had not set a date was because we were waiting on me to graduate before we got married. She gets her MBA in December, and I will get my BS in the spring(In Air Force reserves and have been deployed. That is the reason for the lag in our degrees). Our relationship was not perfect, but it was pretty close to that if I may say so. There had always been more good than bad in our relationship up until the last six months. We had lived together, but I moved out and got my own place, because our grandparents found out and were pressuring us not to live together until we were married. We had planned our whole life together and even had names for our kids. Also, she is not my first love or crush. I have loved other women before and thought that we would get married, but a couple of weeks or so after we broke up, I realized that she wasn't it, and that I had moved on. It has been almost five months after she broke it off with me, and I go to bed thinking about her, dream about her, and wake up thinking about her.
    About 1.5 years ago, my parents got divorced. This was something that was very sudden and NO ONE expected. Needless to say I took it very hard. And rather than stand up and face the problems that I was dealing with, I shut down and regressed a little. Basically, I went from being a responsible mostly mature(after all I am male) perswon, to a "drunken 18 year old frat boy". I was once that, but it was when she was a drunken 18 year old sorority girl, and we grew out of it. Needless to say, she was not happy about that, and really wanted me to change. I found it easier to not change, after all that was some of the best times of my life. After eight months of her begging me to stop drinking so much and going out with my friends, as well as going to class(enrolled in school at the time), and actually getting a job instead of sitting on my ***(I would work, she had enough. She told me that she had made up her mind that I would never change, and that she didn't want to be with someone like that(and I don't blame her). We have now been separated or broken up for 148 days and it is killing me. To be honest, I took her for granted, and thought that she would always be there for me, no matter what. There was never a problem of love between us, she just got tired of putting up with me not caring about my life and working out my problems and taking my stress out on her. Since then, we have hadsome contact, most of it has been me begging her for another chance, or us arguing about me getting another chance. I saw her out a week ago with her new "friend" and she blew him off the entire evening and followed me around like a puppy dog. The next night, she called me, not him to come over and take care of her when she was very sick. And of cousre, being a shmuck I went and sat by her bed all night taking care of her. She still has that look in her eyes when she looks at me, which is the same look that was in her eyes for the past five years, and has even told me that she still cares for me that way, and would really like to give me another chance, but she is scared that I will go back to the way that I was.
    Since we have broken up, I have worked my demons out, as well as cleaned up my act, because I realized how unhappy I was doing that to myself as well as to her and us. I have begged and begged the whole time we have been broken up, as well as promise her I will change and not go back to the way that I was(and I won't), but it just seems that by me doing that I am pushing her away. Her dad and a step brother(hew thinks she is an absolute *****) have told me that to just be patient that she will come around and that they both know that she still loves me, because they have talked to her separately and that they both strongly feel that we will get back together. I have read online that the things that I have done since our breakup is actually not the best thing and that I should "let her go" so that she will realize that I am gone and want me back. I do not know if this is true, and I just happened upon this site and was hoping to have some questions answered.
    I believe that should be enough info for my narrative and hopefuly someone can help me with these questions

    1. Am I really puushing her away by doing those since we have broken up?
    2. Her dad and step brother wouldn't lie to me about that would they
    3. Is there someone that could help me out on this? I am still in love with this woman, and realized that I did muck up, and that I want her back more than anything else.
  • Oct 15, 2006, 10:53 AM
    Knowledgefinder
    Convincing her that you have changed with your words will do you no good. This is something she must see for herself by observing it on her own.

    My best advice would be to be there for her as a friend right now and nothing more. It is important that you understand to accept the idea that she may not take you back. Yet if you want to work on getting her back, start with being her friend and not try to force your way back into her heart.

    She needs to find the trust in you again and that starts with the friendship first. You must be patient and understanding. Do not go with the mind set of taking care of her and being there for her with the intention of getting her back because if she does not end up taking you back, you are going to be very heart broken and disappointed.

    Clearly you two have a relationship, as friends. This is something you do not want to lose because it is equally just as special as a relationship of a lover. She needs to be able to see that you are there for her no matter if you get back together or not, be sincere in your efforts. Meaning don't do these things for her and with her simply because you want her back. Do them because you simply care.
  • Oct 15, 2006, 11:10 AM
    chuff
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    We had planned our whole life together and even had names for our kids.

    I guess that sort of cute for a topic of conversation but I question how you can plan you entire life together. People change, your living locations change, jobs change, Neither of you will be the same person in 10 years that you are now. I'm not saying that means the relationship is over but in the real world I don't think it means anything other than to set up false hopes in your mind.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    It has been almost five months after she broke it off with me, and I go to bed thinking about her, dream about her, and wake up thinking about her.

    Read a book before you go to bed and go to the gym first thing in the morning. Both will take your focus off her and make you feel better.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    We have now been seperated or broken up for 148 days and it is killing me.

    Why are you counting the days? I get the feeling your almost punishing yourself. It's like you feel since this didn't work out you must somehow punish yourself by keeping her memory alive in your mind.


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    Originally Posted by zachass
    Since then, we have hadsome contact, most of it has been me begging her for another chance, or us arguing about me getting another chance.

    That was a mistake. First you should never beg her for anything. You can inquire if there might be another chance or explain that you've worked out demons but to beg. Forget it. It's beneath you and it's beneath her to accept a man that has to beg.

    Secondly, how the in the hell can you possibly have an argument with someone when your asking for another chance? You can't argue your way back to her heart. Your lucky she didn't get rid of you forever after that.

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    Originally Posted by zachass
    I saw her out a week ago with her new "friend" and she blew him off the entire evening and followed me around like a puppy dog.

    Out where and in what context? Was this an actual date? Or just two friends of different genders hanging out? Even if it was a date maybe it wasn't a good one so she blew him off for you.

    I'm not saying all hope is lost and in fact I'd say it looks very good but your also emotionally wrapped up in this so you might not be looking at it from every angle. That being said, it's a good thing she migrated towards you.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    The next night, she called me, not him to come over and take care of her when she was very sick.

    Again, I don't think that means anything. She knows you and not him. Were they dating? Was it only one date? He may not be who you think he is. He may just be a friend. That beings said, it was cool that she called you. It also may have been a test to see if you would come over.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    And of cousre, being a shmuck I went and sat by her bed all night taking care of her.

    Not a Shmuck = going over to check on her and maybe bring her some soup.

    Schmuck = staying with her all night.

    I can't say you did the wrong thing over all. You probably should just have excused yourself shortly after arriving. It would have showed you care but weren’t so needy. Probably not the worst thing you’ve ever done though so I wouldn’t fret over it too much.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    She still has that look in her eyes when she looks at me, which is the same look that was in her eyes for the past five years, and has even told me that she still cares for me that way, and would really like to give me another chance, but she is scared that I will go back to the way that I was.

    Well this sounds like she's testing you. The trouble is she may be seeing what she can get out of you without making any real commitments. Don't just cave in and start buying her things or taking out to places.

    You really need to pull back. You could almost work this in your favor by just saying to her that you’ve changed and you welcome her the opportunity to find out for herself. That creates some mystery and also let’s her get to know you all over again. That being said, you’ve got to start pulling back and not be so needy.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    Since we have broken up, I have worked my demons out, as well as cleaned up my act, because I realized how unhappy I was doing that to myself as well as to her and us. I have begged and begged the whole time we have been broken up, as well as promise her I will change and not go back to the way that I was(and I won't), but it just seems that by me doing that I am pushing her away.

    Well it doesn’t SEEM to be pushing her away, it IS pushing her away. Ask yourself this, if you were a woman, would you want a man that has to resort to begging? That’s so unattractive. Right or wrong, look at what the general society thinks of the homeless. That’s what she thinks of you when you beg. Furthermore, from her point of view it only proves that you haven’t changed.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    Her dad and a step brother(hew thinks she is an absolute *****) have told me that to just be patient that she will come around and that they both know that she still loves me, because they have talked to her seperately and that they both strongly feel that we will get back together.

    That means absolutely nothing. She can tell them anything and probably does. If they like you then she’s telling them what they want to hear. Never believe what she’s telling other people.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    I have read online that the things that I have done since our breakup is actually not the best thing and that I should "let her go" so that she will realize that I am gone and want me back. I do not know if this is true, and I just happened upon this site and was hoping to have some questions answered.

    What you have read is correct. But since you haven’t actually applied I’m not sure how you can say this is true. Ask yourself this. Is acting needy and begging working for me? Is making myself available at a moments notice working for me? You know what they say about insanity, trying the same things over and over again expecting a different result but and never getting it. Well that’s what your doing.

    From what little you’ve written about you two I would be reluctant to take you back if I were her. At one point you were dependent on alcohol. Now you seem to be dependent on her. That’s not exactly working you demons out fully. You’ve come a long way. You’ve made some great positive first steps. But you still have work to do. I think she sees that as well which is why she doesn’t want to commit to you. [QUOTE=zachass]

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    1. Am I really puushing her away by doing those since we have broken up?

    Yes and with great force.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    2. Her dad and step brother wouldn't lie to me about that would they

    No. But she might lie to them. I’d believe that over them lying to you.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zachass
    3. Is there someone that could help me out on this? I am still in love with this woman, and realized that I did muck up, and that I want her back more than anything else.

    Well read what I’ve wrote and what others will write. Follow the consistent advice. If you get 10 replys and 9 of them you don’t like but one of them you do, follow the nine. What your doing isn’t working and for a very good reason. Start by listening and apply the advice your given, Second pull back, Third get something positive in your life (I always recommend working out but there are thousands of other activities) besides her because it just makes you look needy. Good luck and let us know how it turned out.
  • Oct 15, 2006, 11:39 AM
    zachass
    Well her "friend" and her are dating. They used to be friends, but had a falling out. I have been told by a very close friend of hers that she told her in confidence that she hasn't broke up with him yet, because she hasn't found a good enough reason to, and that she doesn't want to hurt him because he loves her, but her feelings are not the same. And I guess in a way, it is easier for her to hurt me, because she knows that I will be there no matter what. Isn't that a quote? :) "The people we love the most are ones we hurt the most" I am guessing that I just need to make myself unavailable to her and make her miss me.Don't know if that is the best thing, but I have heard the "absence makes the heart grow fonder" is true. I agree with the working out. I work out religiously now since we have broken up. And I do read before I go to bed, but those few minutes before I fall asleep is where I find myself thinking about her. On a positive note, I am in the best shape of my life, but I guess I just happen to find myself drift back to thinking about her.
  • Oct 15, 2006, 01:36 PM
    s_cianci
    Although I personally don't believe in living together before getting married, the fact that you gave in to your grandparents is a red flag in my opinion. Now, when going out drinking with your friends, were you doing it to your detriment ; getting so drunk you couldn't function the next day, missing class or work due to your drinking or being in trouble with the law? If not, then there really wasn't much of a problem. I realize that it may be hard to both work and go to class but you definitely should have been doing one or the other. Now it sounds like both you and she truly want a fresh start and that's a good thing. She does have some justifiable concerns. I wouldn't beg or plead with her constantly as that will most likely push her away. I'd work things up slowly, over time. Regain her trust by letting her see over the long haul that you truly have worked out your problems. Talk with her and meet with her only occasionally at first. Gradually increase the level of contact. Do be patient throughout everything and do not ever push or cajole her. Let your actions speak louder than words.
  • Oct 15, 2006, 02:57 PM
    zachass
    No I never got in trouble with the law, but I did get into trouble by not going to class. And she is very goal oriented, and looking at her side, I can't say I blame her for not wanting to be with someone that went and partied all the time rather than hang out with me( I would go out with friends about three/four nights a week, then she and I would go out on weekends) and had scrweed off in school, as well as only work when I needed to pay bills. And with both of our grandparents, we did it simply out of respect for them.
  • Oct 16, 2006, 10:14 AM
    talaniman
    You have an awfull lot of work to do, not to get the g/f back but for yourself. Straighten your life out and be healthy my friend. I'm still trying to figure out how who you live with is any business of the grandparents but I better leave that alone. Just work on yourself for you and leave the rest of the drama alone.
  • Oct 16, 2006, 11:06 AM
    Wildcat21
    It sounds like to me you have a lot of growing up to due - I've been there as well. I'd work o nmyself if I were you for the next YEAR -forget about her - DO NOT CALL. DO NOT E-MAIL. DO TEXT. NOTHING.

    A women who, as you say, is very structured in life won't have anything to do with a partier. Quit the booze. Quit the drugs. Get some hobbies. Workout. Sounds like you uneed new friends.

    1. Am I really puushing her away by doing those since we have broken up?

    Begging NEVER worked ever. It's needy, insecure. QUIT IT. Get a life - be happyu - she was only part of your life - not your life.


    2. Her dad and step brother wouldn't lie to me about that would they

    No they wouldn't lie. But I they also want you to CLEAN UP YOUR ACT COMPLETELY.

    3. Is there someone that could help me out on this? I am still in love with this woman, and realized that I did muck up, and that I want her back more than anything else.

    YES -WORK ON YOU FOR THE NEXT YEAR. Leave her alone. You seem to be in condition to get married. Get a full time job. No more booze.

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