Hello:

Yup, ole Republican Governor Sanford of South Carolina got caught with his pants down, so he went on TV and cried a little. Why not? It's worked before?

Did he quit?? Nahhh. He's still qualified to run the state, even though he's a lying, cheating, hypocritical bastard.

excon

Yeah I heard a democrat did the same and refuses to leave office until 2010. I believe his crime was messing with teenage girls.

Man he is a cheater also I bet he goes to church every Sunday too. I wonder if Ed Rendell is a cheater I doubt it. I'm sure he has probably tried but who would want that big fat cheese steak belly rubbing on them.

Goodby and good riddance. Rather learn of this now . How he thought he could get away with this stunt is beyond me.

It is important to beatup and discredit any potential Republican candidate asap so your next target is Mitch Daniels of Indiana . Get to work if the hit squads can stop beating on Sarah Palin .

Hello again, tom:

Not really. I hate 'em all equally. Hang on. I'm about to post what piece of crap that Democratic congressman Jim McDermott is.

excon

I say term limits for all of them . The Republicans are in serious need of house cleaning and the Democrats are over due.

Hello again, tom:

I think the mistake the Republicans made was making private behavior the government's business. It's come back to bite because NONE of us live up to what we aspire to.

But, the Republicans made our aspirations a rule - a rule that nobody could live up to. They set themselves up for a fall.

Is there a lesson here? Sure. Get the government out of the bedroom.

excon

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Hello again, tom:

I think the mistake the Republicans made was making private behavior the government's business. It's come back to bite because NONE of us live up to what we aspire to.

But, the Republicans made our aspirations a rule - a rule that nobody could live up to. They set themselves up for a fall.

Is there a lesson here? Sure. Get the government out of the bedroom.

excon

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Well, I disagree with the "nobody could live up to" idea.

There are a lot of people in this country who live a clean moral life. It is not impossible to do so.

The real lesson here is to quit electing jerks.

I never used to be in favor of term limits. But I'm getting there. I used to think that there were built-in term limits in the system, and they were called elections. But I'm slowly changing my mind on this one. Term limits for Congress would be a good thing... at the very least, no single individual would ever get enough time in office to do THAT much damage before getting the boot.

Elliot

Adios Gov. Sanford. What a boob.

Kathryn Jean Lopez offered a quote in her latest column I think is appropriate though:

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“We modern men and women hate hypocrisy, but we have a mistaken idea of what this means,” Fr. Thomas D. Williams, author of Knowing Right from Wrong: A Christian Guide to Conscience (Hachette, 2009), recently said. “Some say that a hypocrite doesn’t practice what he preaches, but this isn’t hypocrisy. None of us perfectly practices what he preaches. We all fall short. The solution of lowering our moral bar to match our imperfect behavior doesn’t make us less hypocritical; it just makes us more mediocre. Keeping the bar high and maintaining our moral ideals helps us to strive for moral greatness rather than settling for moral poverty.”

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I'd rather we set ourselves up for a fall than lower the moral bar to make us more mediocre.

Not sure that Sanford takes that high a moral position . I really don't care .

From my perspective he has been a good governor . I find it disgusting that he would take a leave during Father's Day weekend to have a trist. But more important ;I find his actions and judgement lacking and irresponsible for the position he holds. He is too important in his role as Governor to go AWOL .

I have told you before that the sex stuff is not a big factor in my weighing a candidate . But his judgement is a big factor . To the Dems it doesn't seem to matter. While they hoot and howl at a Republican getting caught with their pants down they celebrate their lower than low slugs... be they Teddy Kennedy ;Bill Clintoon ,or Barney Frank.

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I'd rather we set ourselves up for a fall than lower the moral bar to make us more mediocre.

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Ahhh... you are making the classic mistake of the Conservative. You are creating ideals for yourself that liberals can use against you during election times. After all, it is easier to get elected if you have no moral ideals whatsoever than if you have high moral ideals and fail even once to live up to them.

Personally, I agree with your position. I'd prefer to make that particular mistake.

Elliot

Leave it to Lurch to make a bad Palin joke out of this. John Kerry said “Too bad, if a governor had to go missing it couldn’t have been the governor of Alaska. You know, Sarah Palin.’’

When are women's groups going to come out against the continuing attacks on Sarah Palin?

And so not to just change the subject on you, Sanford's still a jerk.

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Yes he is .Until this point he was a conservative Republican who walked the walk as well as talked the talk. When he was in Congress he practiced the frugality he preached sleeping on a cot to save money. He was a consistent critic of pork spending ,which of course reached it's peak recently ,when he attempted to refuse bucket list Federal funding with mandates the State could not afford.

He was on the fast track to national recognition and would have been a serious candidate .

Hubris and poor judgement is his downfall... not the moral issues . He went overnight from a man of sound reason to a man who didn't get that Governors don't go AWOL overseas to have trists in violation of their lawful duties and responsibilities .By law he was supposed to put his second in command in charge if he was not in a position to perform his duties .Obviously being out of the country with his cell phone off qualifies as one of those occasions.

The way I see it ;he did the Republicans a huge favor by self destructing now instead of 2012 .

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The way I see it ;he did the Republicans a huge favor by self destructing now instead of 2012 .

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Absolutely.

Of course if he were a Dem he could've looked in the camera and said “I did not have sex with that woman!” Then bite his lower lip,and let his eyes moisten a bit.
Yeah ;that's the ticket !

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Yes he is .Until this point he was a conservative Republican who walked the walk as well as talked the talk.

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Hello tom:

Here's where I think you guys miss the mark... I don't think he EVER walked the walk. To ME, and I don't know about you, a guy who walks the walk, WALKS it, and doesn't fall off. Those that fall off, NEVER walked it the first place. They FAKE it. In MY life experiences, people who WALK the WALK are COUNT-ON-ABLE! Like O'Reilly said, his vows were principles until they weren't.

As galveston pointed out, because this guy didn't doesn't mean that there aren't people who walk the walk. But, when you point out THIS guy as one who did, but somehow lost his way, you discredit the people who actually DO have gumption to live like they SAY they live!

Or, you guy's on the right don't walk the walk, never will walk the walk, and don't know anybody who ever DID walk the walk, then I could understand your wishy washiness on the subject.

excon

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To ME, and I dunno about you, a guy who walks the walk, WALKS it, and doesn't fall off. Those that fall off, NEVER walked it the first place. They FAKE it. In MY life experiences, people who WALK the WALK are COUNT-ON-ABLE!

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Ok ex, which among us is perfect?

Wishy washy ? I have done nothing but condemn his actions . I have called them a deal breaker. What is wishy washy is the politicians and their supporters who say infidelity ,with all the damage to families and individuals "is only sex ...what's the big deal ? "

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Hello tom:

Here's where I think you guys miss the mark... I don't think he EVER walked the walk. To ME, and I dunno about you, a guy who walks the walk, WALKS it, and doesn't fall off. Those that fall off, NEVER walked it the first place. They FAKE it. In MY life experiences, people who WALK the WALK are COUNT-ON-ABLE! Like O'Reilly said, his vows were principles until they weren't.

As galveston pointed out, because this guy didn't doesn't mean that there aren't people who walk the walk. But, when you point out THIS guy as one who did, but somehow lost his way, you discredit the people who actually DO have gumption to live like they SAY they live!!

Or, you guy's on the right don't walk the walk, never will walk the walk, and don't know anybody who ever DID walk the walk, then I could understand your wishy washiness on the subject.

excon

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So... what you are saying is that a person who has moral ideals has to meet those ideals 100% of the time, with no errors in judgment whatsoever, or else he's a hypocrite. Whereas if someone has NO morals ideals and acts like a jerk 100% of the time (like Bill Clinton), he's cool, he's fine, there's nothing wrong with him, because he never really talked about any moral values and ideals anyway.

Yeah... that makes sense, in a twisted sort of way. But...

Personally, I'll take a party that TRIES to live up to certain moral ideals and sometimes fails than one that espouses no moral ideals whatsoever.

Which doesn't excuse Sanford. He DID fail to keep to his own stated morals. And he cannot be trusted to keep to them anymore. Trust must be earned, and Sanford has betrayed that trust. He's going to need to work very hard to regain that trust, assuming it can ever be done. But for now, possibly forever, that trust is GONE.

But should we throw out the ideals themselves because of the man who failed to hold himself to that standard? Are monogamy and the sacred bonds of marriage such a wrong-minded ideals that we need to get rid of them because Sanford failed in them? Should we stop espousing those ideals because Sanford failed in them? I don't think so.

Elliot