Ask Me Help Desk

Ask Me Help Desk (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forum.php)
-   Current Events (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=486)
-   -   Obama must resign (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=360703)

  • Jun 2, 2009, 02:13 PM
    speechlesstx
    Obama must resign
    Nope, it wasn't Limbaugh, O'Reilly or Savage, it was a cartoonist and columnist from way on the other side that made this call...

    Quote:

    Ted Rall: It’s increasingly evident that Obama should resign

    THE STATE JOURNAL-REGISTER
    Posted May 29, 2009 @ 12:02 AM

    MIAMI — We expected broken promises. But the gap between the soaring expectations that accompanied Barack Obama’s inauguration and his wretched performance is the broadest such chasm in recent historical memory. This guy makes Bill Clinton look like a paragon of integrity and follow-through.

    From health care to torture to the economy to war, Obama has reneged on pledges real and implied. So timid and so owned is he that he trembles in fear of offending, of all things, the government of Turkey. Obama has officially reneged on his campaign promise to acknowledge the Armenian genocide. When a president doesn’t have the nerve to annoy the Turks, why does he bother to show up for work in the morning?

    Obama is useless. Worse than that, he’s dangerous. Which is why, if he has any patriotism left after the thousands of meetings he has sat through with corporate contributors, blood-sucking lobbyists and corrupt politicians, he ought to step down now — before he drags us further into the abyss.

    I refer here to Obama’s plan for “preventive detentions.” If a cop or other government official thinks you might want to commit a crime someday, you could be held in “prolonged detention.” Reports in U.S. state-controlled media imply that Obama’s shocking new policy would only apply to Islamic terrorists (or, in this case, wannabe Islamic terrorists, and also kinda-sorta-maybe-thinking-about-terrorism dudes). As if that made it OK.

    In practice, Obama wants to let government goons snatch you, me and anyone else they deem annoying off the street.

    Preventive detention is the classic defining characteristic of a military dictatorship. Because dictatorial regimes rely on fear rather than consensus, their priority is self-preservation rather than improving their people’s lives. They worry obsessively over the one thing they can’t control, what George Orwell called “thoughtcrime” — contempt for rulers that might someday translate to direct action.

    Locking up people who haven’t done anything wrong is worse than un-American and a violent attack on the most basic principles of Western jurisprudence. It is contrary to the most essential notion of human decency. That anyone has ever been subjected to “preventive detention” is an outrage. That the president of the United States, a man who won an election because he promised to elevate our moral and political discourse, would even entertain such a revolting idea offends the idea of civilization itself.

    Obama is cute. He is charming. But there is something rotten inside him. Unlike the Republicans who backed George W. Bush, I won’t follow a terrible leader just because I voted for him. Obama has revealed himself. He is a monster, and he should remove himself from power.

    “Prolonged detention,” reported The New York Times, would be inflicted upon “terrorism suspects who cannot be tried.”

    “Cannot be tried.” Interesting choice of words.

    Any “terrorism suspect” (can you be a suspect if you haven’t been charged with a crime?) can be tried. Anyone can be tried for anything. At this writing, a Somali child is sitting in a prison in New York, charged with piracy in the Indian Ocean, where the U.S. has no jurisdiction. Anyone can be tried.

    What they mean, of course, is that the hundreds of men and boys languishing at Guantánamo and the thousands of “detainees” the Obama administration anticipates kidnapping in the future cannot be convicted. As in the old Soviet Union, putting enemies of the state on trial isn’t enough. The game has to be fixed. Conviction has to be a foregone conclusion.

    Why is it, exactly, that some prisoners “cannot be tried”?

    The Old Grey Lady explains why Obama wants this “entirely new chapter in American law” in a boring little sentence buried a couple of paragraphs past the jump and a couple of hundred words down page A16: “Yet another question is what to do with the most problematic group of Guantánamo detainees: those who pose a national security threat but cannot be prosecuted, either for lack of evidence or because evidence is tainted.”

    In democracies with functioning legal systems, it is assumed that people against whom there is a “lack of evidence” are innocent. They walk free. In countries where the rule of law prevails, in places blessedly free of fearful leaders whose only concern is staying in power, “tainted evidence” is no evidence at all. If you can’t prove that a defendant committed a crime — an actual crime, not a thoughtcrime — in a fair trial, you release him and apologize to the judge and jury for wasting their time.

    It is amazing and incredible, after eight years of Bush’s lawless behavior, to have to still have to explain these things. For that reason alone, Obama should resign.

    Ted Rall is a columnist for Universal Press Syndicate.
    Yep, Obama is bringing us together... now both sides think he's dangerous.
  • Jun 2, 2009, 02:19 PM
    Wondergirl

    Yup, President Obama must resign... himself to opinions formulated by idiotic columnists.
  • Jun 2, 2009, 02:33 PM
    speechlesstx
    He's an even worse cartoonist but that's beside the point. Are you OK with letting "government goons snatch you, me and anyone else they deem annoying off the street?"Are you OK with the massive, massive debt he's running up? Are you OK with his continuing renditions? Are you OK with all of his broken promises?
  • Jun 2, 2009, 02:51 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    He's an even worse cartoonist but that's beside the point. Are you ok with letting "government goons snatch you, me and anyone else they deem annoying off the street?"Are you ok with the massive, massive debt he's running up? Are you ok with his continuing renditions? Are you ok with all of his broken promises?

    I trust him with my very life. Already Chrysler is turning around. GM will too. The debt will get paid back. Renditions of what? Has he been singing? His "broken promises" are what he now sees and tweaks from the inside, things that he couldn't see completely as an outsider before he was elected. Michelle will slap him upside the head if necessary.
  • Jun 2, 2009, 02:51 PM
    450donn
    Yup, WG definitely is. Simply look at her signature to be convinced;)
  • Jun 2, 2009, 02:53 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 450donn View Post
    Yup, WG definitely is. simply look at her signature to be convinced;)

    There's still some time before we compare notes, 450donn.
  • Jun 2, 2009, 03:01 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I trust him with my very life. Already Chrysler is turning around. GM will too. The debt will get paid back. Renditions of what? Has he been singing? His "broken promises" are what he now sees and tweaks from the inside, things that he couldn't see completely as an outsider before he was elected. Michelle will slap him upside the head if necessary.

    That's a lot of faith. Good luck with that.
  • Jun 2, 2009, 03:07 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    That's a lot of faith. Good luck with that.

    It will all work out. You will see.
  • Jun 2, 2009, 03:10 PM
    tomder55
    Ted the Red Rall... look out here come da bus !

    YouTube - Under My Bus: ZoBama's 100 Days & Throwing People Under the Bus


    Rall is disgruntled because United Media got fed up with his off the wall slander of the troops comparing them to jihadists... and his amateurish cartoons. He was recenty fired .
    http://newsbusters.org/static/2007/0...-14TedRall.gif

    If Obama loses people like Rall can Michael Moore be far behind ?
  • Jun 2, 2009, 07:35 PM
    andrewc24301

    I'll admit Obama wrote some checks his butt probably can't cash, but I think calling for a resignation is a little extreme.
  • Jun 3, 2009, 04:22 AM
    tomder55

    Maybe not resign... but he should be ashamed when even the commies think he's going to radical left .And followers of "the One " who frequently complained about the supposed secret and imperial executive power grab by the Bush Administration have been silent about Obama's preference to run government by tzars and ad hoc task force that are not subject to Congressional confirmation.

    American capitalism gone with a whimper - Pravda.Ru

    Pravda mocks us as sheeple blindly following Obama. American capitalism gone with a whimper.

    Quote:

    The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.
  • Jun 3, 2009, 09:19 AM
    spitvenom

    Get the tin foil out.
  • Jun 3, 2009, 03:57 PM
    andrewc24301
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    maybe not resign... but he should be ashamed when even the commies think he's going to radical left .And followers of "the One " who frequently complained about the supposed secret and imperial executive power grab by the Bush Administration have been silent about Obama's preference to run government by tzars and ad hoc task force that are not subject to Congressional confirmation.

    American capitalism gone with a whimper - Pravda.Ru

    Pravda mocks us as sheeple blindly following Obama. American capitalism gone with a whimper.

    Hate to say it, the article (allbeit a bit biased towards Russia) is mostly accurate.

    Quote:

    The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.
    ---AMEN!

    I'll say in 20 years we'll be where Russia is today.
  • Jun 4, 2009, 04:03 AM
    tomder55

    What I find amusing/alarming is how the commies are finding common ground with the President . Here is a quote from Hugo Chavez this week :
    “Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors . Comrade Obama! Fidel, careful or we are going to end up to his right,”

  • All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:18 AM.