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  • Apr 25, 2009, 10:07 AM
    Kingkudzu
    Is this sound?
    If a tree falls in an otherwise uninhabited forest, does it make a sound?
  • Apr 25, 2009, 11:13 AM
    Capuchin

    Depends how you define sound.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Perito
    If a woman and a man were there when it fell, and if the man said it made a sound -- he's wrong. If he said it didn't make a sound -- he's wrong again.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 07:01 PM
    smearcase

    Perito has the best answer ever for that age-old question. Beyond dispute.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 08:20 PM
    Unknown008

    LOL, OK, but was that the expected answer? I mean, the question was some kind of joke? :confused:
  • Apr 26, 2009, 04:50 AM
    Perito

    As Capuchin suggested, if you define "sound" as sound waves moving through air, then the answer is "Yes"; a sound was generated. If you define sound as requiring an observer, then the answer is "No"; sound was not generated. I, personally, would say "Yes"; a sound was generated. (My wife would probably tell me that I'm wrong.)
  • Apr 26, 2009, 01:50 PM
    Stratmando

    It makes a sound, its just not heard.
    Unless a woman says so, and who are we to disagree, been there done that, not any more.
  • Apr 26, 2009, 04:33 PM
    Kingkudzu

    Thank you all for weighing in , but there doesn't seem to be an answer... just quantification, etc. The bit about the wife is irony as I say sound is sound--yes; she says not if there isn't a listener/receiver--no. Surely someone has answered this question without rebuttal. Thanks again... yes, it was serious I am sorry to say.
  • Apr 27, 2009, 05:38 AM
    Stratmando

    It makes a sound, its just not heard.
  • Apr 27, 2009, 05:41 AM
    Capuchin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stratmando View Post
    It makes a sound, its just not heard.

    The point being, are vibrations in air really sound without someone to actually hear it?
  • Apr 30, 2009, 05:33 PM
    Kingkudzu
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Capuchin View Post
    The point being, are vibrations in air really sound without someone to actually hear it?

    I would say yes. These waves of energy still exist, would frighten (perhaps) wildlife and would crush anything it fell if it were of sufficient mass. Why do humans insist on being a participant in order to affirm something took place. If you were there, you would hear it--the sound is still made whether anyone is there or not.

    A woman in my life dissagrees... go figure! :)
  • Apr 30, 2009, 06:31 PM
    FlyYakker

    For the record, this is a very old pseudo-philosophical question. It's even in Wikipedia and other places on the web.
  • Apr 30, 2009, 07:02 PM
    cehs
    I say YES there is sound when a tree falls, whether it is heard or not is irrelevant.
    That would be like a radio or TV station (do they put out a signal even if YOU do not have YOUR radio/tv on?)
    Is there light in lightning if no one sees it?
    Is there thunder if no one is around, OF COURSE...

    CE.

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