Well, I was not raised in church, My in-laws quilted me into it when I was about 21. I believed every thing I heard for years, I tried to "prove" it. I felt like I had to see evidence of the spirit. I rasied two kids in church until they were old even to make up their own mind. THEN I started looking with new eyes. I saw people. Just plain people who didn't know what else to do. They closed their eyes to what was going on in the choir loft or in the pastors office. They didn't bother to veryify in the "book" what they were hearing in the pulpit. I figure no one really knows. That's OK with me. In the last two years I have lost my Dad, my Mom, and my Brother, and my ex-husband. They all believe different things. Right now I figure they know more then I do. I don't judge and ask the same from others and that's about it. I feel more power and order in nature then I ever have in church, maybe that makes me a pagan. So be it!! Pagans were around long before christians or jews or muslums... any pagans out there who are not too scared to admit it?? Debbie