Hey JoeT777, I hope you find your way here.

I will copy and past one of the three first messages I sent.

Nature/ divine laws are one and the same, I don't let them split. Not very often any way, because both are Pliable. Yet can be quite solid at times, but I'm almost sure there will be a day when those "laws" too, are broken. Laws are not absolute, and even truth is subject to interpritaion, so all is subjective to a point and there for disputed. Really, if they weren't then we wouldn't have disagreements right?

You cuold say they are both absolute, but context, relavence, probability or possibilites, and much more play huge roles in the deciding of such things. It's really up to you, but I caution you to be mindful that there are still other possibilites, whether they are highly probable or not is not of importance, but simply that they are probable. Like you said, relativeity. I say, everything is illusive no matter how solid the claim, the is always a small chance that something isn't as true as we once believed. That way I can learn to live moment to moment, and not have to carry the weight of the world on my shoulders.

"There is no good or bad, there is no wrong or right, only possibilites." - Me
This profound parodox is facinating to me, and so many tell me I'm stupid, retarded, a fool, immoral, heartless, incompassionate. And much worse. Do you see what it means? Most are too caught up in the first bit of words that they don't take the time to realise that within the realm of possibility, anything is probable. That is to say that sure I may not have jedi powers, but there is a small probability that I could develop them. The mind is very powerful, and if used in such a way that one can over come great obsticals, why not me? Any who, the jedi thing is very improbable, so we tend to ignore it. Fair enough, but what is some one did learn this, what if a Buddhist walked up to you and said, "you must learn to levitate. I can feel the energy with in you." Would you say no that's BS, or would you go and learn?
So, since we have conflicting ideals, and few express their ideals the same as others, why not make it possible to see past the crap on top(for lack of better words) and pay attention to the lessons we can learn, and teach, and ultimately be human. Accept that you may be wrong, but you maybe right. You won't know till you die, so live your life your way, and hopefully it is what was meant for you.

I'm in the process of opening my eyes, since the day I was born. I'm 24, and I feel as though I've always been, yet I still don't know anything. Life will teach me this time and time again, and I never fight it now. I can see that it is ever cahnging, and pliable. So live the best I can, "embrace my dreams", and "Protect my honor" - Both from Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII. I think Angeal says it to Zack, through out the game cut sceans. Interesting story that one...

So there is a good and/or bad, right and/ or wrong possibility, but that is all they are. Possibilities relative to the situation and subject to our own interpretations.

I hope that makes sense, I'm tired and it's 1:16am and I only slept for four hours lastnight. So I'll leave you with this.

Faith is believing with out any evidence, but most never really realise that there is evidence for any and everything, yet nothing at all. Because a simple thought, is proof that it can be a possibility, provided the conditions of the thought or fantacy are present. And despite what others say, that is something... Think about it, electrical impulses, that are the make up of these "fantacies" are now something Neuro pschologist can control so much so that they can make you hallucinate, remember things that never happened, and various other things. So, until we learn more about the nature of these, electrical impulses. We would be lying if it wasn't possible that our thoughts or fantacies weren't apart of something much bigger, smaller, and more complex than we can fathum...

MAy peace and kindness be with you.

So, I did say some where in there to do what you want, or live life your way, bemindful of the possibilities, and your connection to that which is around you. Something like that. I'm Kind of lost as I need some one to reply so I can gase what is needed for further explanation.

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Originally Posted by Nestorian

Faith is believing without any evidence.

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If faith were believing without any evidence it would be quite irrational. What constitutes evidence is controversial but even controversial evidence is better than nothing at all. Just to embark on a discussion implies belief in the value of reasoning, i.e. a form of faith. Why do we have faith in the power of reason? Because we know from experience that it produces better results than not applying our intelligence ;)

All forms of knowledge, whether scientific or religious, are based on this fundamental fact but they do not exclude recognizing possibilities. On the contrary, speculation is the only way to develop our knowledge. Not to speculate implies that we have reached the limits of our understanding of reality and that no further progress is possible :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by tonyrey

If faith were believing without any evidence it would be quite irrational. What constitutes evidence is controversial but even controversial evidence is better than nothing at all. Just to embark on a discussion implies belief in the value of reasoning, i.e. a form of faith. Why do we have faith in the power of reason? Because we know from experience that it produces better results than not applying our intelligence ;)

All forms of knowledge, whether scientific or religious, are based on this fundamental fact but they do not exclude recognizing possibilities. On the contrary, speculation is the only way to develop our knowledge. Not to speculate implies that we have reached the limits of our understanding of reality and that no further progress is possible :rolleyes:

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Deffinition of Faith as by websters online dictionary: 1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust
(Well part of the def. any way.)

Faith is rather blind, and irrational. Like some of our more powerful emotions, Love /Hate (I'm not saying they are faith, but like faith). I think we grow out of faith, and other times we are simply ignorent to the fact that we reason with proof. There for if you have faith, you have no reason to argue what you believe, like a very wise individual may say to some one who askes, "Why do you believe there is a GOD?" The wise individual may then say, "What does it matter why "I" believe in GOD, when it is you who is searching for GOD?"

Got to go yo lates

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Originally Posted by Nestorian

[B][I]firm belief in something for which there is no proof...

Faith is rather blind, and irrational.

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Firm belief in something for which there is no conclusive proof does not imply that faith is "rather blind, and irrational". There is no conclusive proof that our minds exist but it is not irrational to believe that they do.

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Originally Posted by tonyrey

Firm belief in something for which there is no conclusive proof does not imply that faith is "rather blind, and irrational". There is no conclusive proof that our minds exist but it is not irrational to believe that they do.

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But you do realise you added the word, "conclusive". No proof, means no proof. I don't think we would be discussing something that has no proof though, because even a simple thought can be proof that something may possibly in fact exist some where out there in the unvivers/cosmos, or if you prefer the multi-vers.

I think the point I was trying to get at is people reason by provideing evidence/ proof in some way, shap or form. They sware by it and hold to their "faith" in it. The truth is they don't know any more than the person standing next to them. We don't know why we are what we are, we know how a fraction of us is what it is, but we don't know what the mind really is. We also don't know what happens after death, do we just turn off? Or do we have a spirit/soul that goes on to live another life, whether in Hell, pergatory, heaven, Valhalla, reincarnation, become apart of some life force (jedi's, THe life stream FF:7, Gya? Magik/magic, or "our mother earth.), or by some other unknown source.

No one now adays can say for sure, what we are other than that which we experience, see, or can prove. Every one arguing about who is right, who is wrong, and how we should live as a race. I believe there are many possibilities, especailly since people all choose to live life in many difernt ways, and that they are not entirely differnt from one another. Some say, "there is one true GOD, but there is a "Trinity". 3 in 1." How is that any different form multiple Greek, Roman, Egyption gods? So there are more of themone for the sun, the dead, war, wisdom, the sea, land, and the "heavens" place of the GODs. It's the same, in different words. Personally, I believe that these are made to comfort those who wish life to go a specific way. They pray, sacrafice, or give gifts to thier gods to be rewarded. Meditation, is similar only it's not about getting something, it's more about being something. Self-Affrimation is like praying in that you are trying to get something, or have something happen by using the law of attraction, "Likes attract likes." ? Something like that.
Point being they all use the brian with th mind to achieve something.

I have to go again .sorry dude. I ll be back latter to finnish this.

Peace and kindness.