Sec State Evita Clintoon travelled to Mexico and stopped at the Basilica of Guadalupe ;Catholicism's second most visited shrine after St. Peter's in Rome.

The Basilica rector, Monsignor Diego Monroy, stood with Mrs. Clinton and showed her the mestiza Madonna, an image believed to have been imposed miraculously on an Indian's cloak five centuries ago. It is an icon of Latin American Catholicism ,and in addition ,the Virgin of Guadalupe is a special patron of the pro-life movement.

Evita... her ignorace in full display (or was this an intentional insult ) asked the Monsignor "Who painted it ? "

He replied "GOD " .

She apparently persisted, asking, "But who painted the painting, the roses," before being informed again that God was the artist .

Forgetting the religious faux pas ;The appartition is essential to understanding Mexico's cultural history.It's like a foreign minister coming to NY and asking what the Statue of Liberty is .

Mexicans were understandably not impressed with her diplomacy. Maybe she should send Mexico a "reset" button.

Did you hear it in the news ?


... didn't think so. Imagine if this had been Sarah Palin.




Her next stop on her Rainbow Tour took her to Houston where she accepted the Margaret Sanger Award from the Planned Parenthood Federation. Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, in addition to being the "patron saint" of the current American genocide ,was one of the most strident and inhumane racists of the eugenics movement of in the early 20th Century . April 1932, she wrote an article urging "a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring."

Evita in accepting the award praised liberalized abortion laws and making United States taxpayers pay for abortions and abortion propaganda in "developing" countries.

Hello tom:

Yeah, I'd rather her make THAT little mistake, than saying some country has WMD, and then wrongfully invade and occupy that country...

Yeah, her little faux pas ain't NOTHING, compared to your dufus... NOTHING!!

excon

No comment since I don't want this posting to devolve into a rehash of the Iraq debate.

Evita has already in a short time blundered in actions and comments to Mexico ;Russia and the Chinese. Would you have given Sarah Palin the same pass ?

Her name is Hillary --> U.S. Department of State

And former President Bush's name is George

Ok.

Hello, again:

Now, THAT'S bipartisanship... (but, he's still a dufus).

excon

None of you has answered the question of whether you would have given Sarah the same pass.

I guess not.

Sarah who?

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None of you has answered the question of whether you would have given Sarah the same pass. I guess not.

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Hello again, gal:

This isn't going to satisfy you at all, because you seem to equate Sarah Palin with Hillary Clinton. They're not comparable except for their plumbing. One knows about the world. One doesn't.

Furthermore, in the scope of things, I don't find these gaffes to be of any significant importance. Therefore, if Palin did these same things, I'd give her a pass. But, of course, she WOULDN'T simply do THESE things... She'd probably try to give 'em a back rub. If Hillary tries that, I'll be on her case too.

excon

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Hello again, gal:

This isn't going to satisfy you at all, because you seem to equate Sarah Palin with Hillary Clinton. They're not comparable except for their plumbing. One knows about the world. One doesn't.

Furthermore, in the scope of things, I don't find these gaffes to be of any significant importance. Therefore, if Palin did these same things, I'd give her a pass. But, of course, she WOULDN'T simply do THESE things... She'd probably try to give 'em a back rub. If Hillary tries that, I'll be on her case too.

excon

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That's a non-sequitur.

I think the righties whine and b!tch about the left media waaay too much (registered (R) here, by the way, tho' I'm more (I) than not) but I probably agree... the "gotcha" media would probably have palin on the prime real estate of the newspapers for similar gafs and goofs.

It sells.

And as much as we might like an underdog, we also love to see people fall, especially those new in power. Especially the self righteous. Especially anyone but me.

I don't know.

Sure.

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Hello again, gal:

This isn't going to satisfy you at all, because you seem to equate Sarah Palin with Hillary Clinton. They're not comparable except for their plumbing. One knows about the world. One doesn't.

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I wouldn't quite go so far as to say that Clinton doesn't know ANYTHING about the world. Granted, she's not near as smart as Palin, but then, who in Federal politics today is?

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Furthermore, in the scope of things, I don't find these gaffes to be of any significant importance. Therefore, if Palin did these same things, I'd give her a pass. But, of course, she WOULDN'T simply do THESE things... She'd probably try to give 'em a back rub. If Hillary tries that, I'll be on her case too.

Excon

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Huh? I don't get the backrub reference.

As for what Palin "would probably" do or have done, we won't know until 2012.

Elliot

Dear Lord...

First the dems make me vote for Bush twice by picking FIdiots for noms... and now I'm going to hafta vote for the Big Bad Hockey Momma next time?

I.

Give.

Up.

Spin the chamber until the hammer hits a bullet.

Pretty, pretty please?

Kp,
Come up up here. People are nice and much less whiny. :)

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kp,
Come up up here. People are nice and much less whiny. :)

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NK, but then I can't whine. Why take away the only joy I have left? ;)

I guess ill always have the ele on the trampoline...

As for Hilarious Rotten Clintoon's and BO's faux pas, they are starting to cost us the respect earned during the Bush years.

"What? What the heck is Elliot talking about... respect earned during the Bush years?"

You read it correctly. I said that Bush earned us respect during his administration.

Please keep in mind that for all that these other countries may not have LIKED us very much... in fact they may have downright hated our guts... they also knew not to F**K with us. The badguys knew not to attack us, because if they did, they'd be invaded. The "semi-allied leaders" knew that whether they went along with us or not, Bush was going to do what Bush was going to do, and their opinions be damned. They respected the USA because they FEARED what Bush might do. It may not be as "nice" as loving us, but fear may have been even better for the USA in the international community. Who give's a cr@p whether they love us or not if they act against us anyway. And who cares whether they hate us, if they do what we want them to do.

Clintoon and NObama are throwing away that "fear" factor, and instead are making us look like FOOLS in the international community. You got the President of the United States insulting PMs and leaders of other countries out of sheer laziness, and the Secretary of State unintentionally insulting the cultures of our purported allies. They may have thought of Bush as a fool, but he was a fool to be feared. ANd even when he screwed up in a diplomatic situation, he was a likeable guy on a personal level, and people were willing to forgive him for it (as long as they weren't American liberals). BO and Clintoon are just lazy, inept bufoons, and they are getting nothing but ire and sniggering guffaws. They are the laughingstock of the international community right now.

I'd rather be hated but feared than loved but disregarded.

Elliot

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Clintoon and NObama are throwing away that "fear" factor, and instead are making us look like FOOLS in the international community.. I'd rather be hated but feared than loved but disregarded.

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Hello again,

Elliot demonstrates a totally repudiated philosophy, and he does it with a straight face, too.

excon

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Hello again,

Elliot demonstrates a totally repudiated philosophy, and he does it with a straight face, too.

excon

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Your definition of "totally repudiated" must be different from mine.

In fact, MOST of the world's diplomacy works based on fear as the driving factor. It is only in the "developed" world that the idea of "fear" takes a back seat to "being nice". And very few countries outside the EU and the USA bother to pay attention to us anymore except to take advantage of us.

I am a believer that diplomacy is the continuation of war by non-military means (my apologies to General Von Clauswics). Diplomacy, especially Third World diplomacy, requires that your diplomatic opponent FEAR you enough that he doesn't want to risk war with you, and will therefore negotiate with you instead. The one thing that Bush had on his side was fear. After he invaded two countries, NOBODY was going to get on Bush's bad side, at least not publicly.

As an example of the "let's be nice" way of diplomatic relations, we can look to Jimmy Carter... who was unable to free the Iran Hostages, lowered troop levels in South Korea, created the excremental Camp David Accords, acquiessed to SALT and SALT II with the Soviets, and shredded the US military. The result was the USA becoming a pushover for every pissant third world dictator and terrorist in the world. It wasn't until Ronald Reagan came to the White House that the USA regained its preiminent status in the world. Every one of Carter's major "accomplishments" has led to disasters that we are still dealing with today. Iran and North Korea are both attempting to obtain long range nukes. The current Arab-Israeli conflict is a direct result of the concept of "land for peace" that resulted from the Camp David Accords. The US military is currently undergoing a 10% cut in funding by Obama, a la Carter. In short, Carter's attempts to play "nice" was a fundamental failure in diplomacy and policy.

Reagan and the two Bush's didn't make that mistake. They believed in peace through superior firepower, and diplomacy from a point of strength... and fear.

NObama is going back to Carter's diplomatic methodology, and Clintoon is following it.

You were worried about our standing in the international community under Bush, excon? You ain't seen nothing yet.

How does it feel to have the USA as the rest of the world's b!tch?

Elliot

Evidently Evita is taking her cue from the boss who is becoming a gaffe machine.

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