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  • Mar 2, 2009, 11:20 AM
    wuli
    J-1 Student - Resident or Non Resident - Federal and PA
    Hi All,

    I have a few questions,

    Here is my situation:

    I am a J-1 Student and my wife is a J-2 dependent.
    We arrived Aug 2004 - so we "used" 4 years of the non-residence, HOWEVER, I was a j-2 dependent in 1988 so from what cintax (foreign tax software) says that if I have 5 years including past years I am a resident for tax purposes.

    Here are my questions:
    1. Is it true that if I was on J-2 20 years ago, these years also count toward the 5 years?

    2. If I file as a resident - can I file jointly with my wife. Even though she only has 4 years?

    3. We are PA residents, am I a resident for tax purposes in PA also, or can I still be a non-resident for PA?

    Thanks!
  • Mar 2, 2009, 07:29 PM
    MukatA

    1. No it does not count as you were not present as teacher, trainee or student.
    2. When did your J1 begin?
    3. You are resident of PA.
  • Mar 3, 2009, 07:16 AM
    wuli
    Thanks MukatA,

    1. cintax says with confidence (which doesn't mean that they are right) that because I was as a dependent J-2 (of a scholar) for a full year in the past, it takes a year off the exemption. When I talked with the IRS helpline they read me the paragraph which can be understood in both ways. I also saw a different place that does say to count previous J's...

    2. My J-1 began Aug 04.

    3. I have seen in a few places for instance the Upenn link that says that full time students in PA are non residents.

    Thanks again!
  • Mar 3, 2009, 07:33 AM
    IntlTax

    1. You do count the J-2 from 20 years ago. A "student" includes the individual student and that individual's immediate family. See Treas. Reg. § 301.7701-3((b)(4).

    2. Yes, you can file jointly with your wife.

    3. I don't know.
  • Mar 3, 2009, 10:01 AM
    wuli
    Wow, great - Thanks IntlTax.

    Do you maybe have a link to this Treas. Reg. section?

    I guess this means that I can get the stimulus rebate this year, etc.

    Is it true that if my university (by mistake) exempt 3000$ because of the treaty (I have a 1042-S) with my country then it will balance out when I do the taxes (i.e. trubo tax will see that I did not pay enough taxes and will readjust)?

    What do I need to do about social security taxes

    Thanks again!
  • Apr 28, 2009, 09:48 AM
    AtlantaTaxExpert
    Your liability for Social Security and Medicare taxes begins on 1 January of the THIRD calendar year in country on your J-1 visa.

    That means you should have been paying FICA (Social Security and Medicare) taxes starting on 1 January 2006.
  • Apr 28, 2009, 10:01 AM
    wuli
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AtlantaTaxExpert View Post
    Your liability for Social Security and Medicare taxes begins on 1 January of the THIRD calendar year in country on your J-1 visa.

    That means you should have been paying FICA (Social Security and Medicare) taxes starting on 1 January 2006.

    Even if I am a student J-1, not a professional J-1?

    Second, I thought FICA was not related to the residency status, and if I am only as a intentional student I don't need to pay it.

    Thanks!
  • Jun 12, 2009, 11:55 AM
    AtlantaTaxExpert
    If you are a student, then the FICA liability starts at the beginning of the sixth calendar year (just like F-1 students).

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