Grassfire's research team is examining the budget right now and we
Have already identified dozens on line item tax increases:

--$645 billion global warming tax affecting every consumer.

--$8 billion increased Medicare for "higher income" people.

--$636 billion to eliminate Bush tax cuts.

--$31 billion in taxes on the oil and gas industry (which will
Be passed on to consumers in gas prices while discouraging
Domestic
Exploration and making us even more dependent on foreign oil).

In all, we see over $1.5 trillion in new taxes and hundreds of billions
More in new spending.
This is from "Grassfire"

And now, for the insult to taxpayers.
You know that $14.00 extra or so you are going to get every week starting in April? Well guess what! The RATE is not going to be lowered. The witholding chartes are being revised. What that means is that next year that "tax cut" will show up on your W2 as income you will have to pay tax on for the year 2010.

Hey, you Obama supporters. Is that Kool Aid starting to give you heartburn yet?

So this grassfire isn't a conservative website right?

Oh wait I just went to it and by golly it is a conservative website. What a shock!

Is there some sin in being conservative?

That is most likely in the next bill

No speech of course not! But I will be more willing to believe it if it wasn't. The entire site just bashes Obama.

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No speech of course not! But I will be more willing to believe it if it wasn't. The entire site just bashes Obama.

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As if people should just set aside their beliefs and values? I've always expected conservatives to be, well, conservative... just as I've always expected liberals to be liberal. What's wrong with that? If the facts cited are accurate does the source matter?

Yes that is a fair warning... the extra $13 bucks is not a tax cut. Unless you adjust your filing status it will show as extra taxable income that you will not have had witholdings to account for . So if you don't adjust witholdings be prepared to put aside half of it to pay the extra taxes next year. But spend the extra $7 /week . That should stimulate the economy.

Either way it is chump change to what the libs in NY at multi-levels of government are planning in tax increases.

And of course the way it's been reprted doesn't make sense anyway. As I said elsewhere the media's math doesn't add up.

But hey, if you hang on to your extra $7.00 a week you'll have a down payment on your $25,573.48 portion of Obama's spending plans.

Hello:

I don't know. I thought it was a conservative idea to pay your bills...

excon

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Hello:

I dunno. I thought it was a conservative idea to pay your bills....

excon

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Right! And is a conservative idea to not buy more stuff than you can pay for.
The point of my post is that Obama has been saying tax cuts, but he LIED. All that is coming are tax increases.

While we working taxpayers are going to get a whopping $7.00 tax cut the unemployed are getting a $25 a week raise. Plus, the first $2400 won't be taxed and the Feds will pay 65 percent of their COBRA coverage. PLUS, if states will relax their definition of unemployment they can get even more stimulus money.

Hello speech:

Well, there you go. You've pointed out the divide between you conservatives and us liberals...

For ME, I'm not unhappy that the unemployed get an extra $25 bucks a week in their pockets.

And, even though YOU'RE getting something, you begrudge what the other guy is getting.

I didn't think you were that cold.

excon

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Well, there ya go. You've pointed out the divide between you conservatives and us liberals....

For ME, I'm not unhappy that the unemployed get an extra $25 bucks a week in their pockets.

And, even though YOU'RE getting something, you begrudge what the other guy is getting.

I didn't think you were that cold.

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I'm not cold when it comes to helping those who truly need it, but I am cold toward giving otherwise able-bodied people further incentive not to work and I'm cold toward reversing the welfare reform that started under Clinton. I happen to think coddling deadbeats is a bad thing for our country.

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I happen to think coddling deadbeats is a bad thing for our country.

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Hello again, Steve:

Unemployment benefits are proceeds from an INSURANCE policy that both employees and employers PAY for. It's NOT welfare.

Unless, of course, you think YOU'RE a deadbeat when you hand your insurance card to the doctors receptionist.

Further example of the breadth of the divide between us.

excon

But the government is taking tax dollars to increase benefits of those who already have this benefit. MORE SPENDING

Where is this spending money going to come from?

- printing more money, further DEVALUING THE DOLLAR, which further limits the spending ability of those who work.
- INCREASING TAXES on this and present generations.


Imagine if you have 10 thousand in credit card debt. Would you put another thousand dollars on the credit card to get a better TV?
Is this fiscally sound?


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THe conservative aproach would to actually INCREASE EMPLOYMENT with business friendly policies like LOWERING capital gains rates or lowering corporate taxes. And hopefully REDUCING spending.

Speaking of begrudging is that not what the liberals do by saying "increase taxes on the wealthy and on the corporations?"




















G&P

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Hello again, Steve:

Unemployment benefits are proceeds from an INSURANCE policy that both employees and employers PAY for. It's NOT welfare.

Unless, of course, you think YOU'RE a deadbeat when you hand your insurance card to the doctors receptionist.

Further example of the breadth of the divide between us.

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If you want to talk insurance I’m game. Unemployment all boils down to a government agency that's geared entirely toward benefiting employers. Been there, done that, read the book. Many a good worker ends up getting the shaft while many a deadbeat gets coddled.

Many a deserving recipient of federal and state aid gets the shaft while many a deadbeat gets coddled. Ask my daughter about that and how she was supposed to make ends meet on total disability for $565 month and about $56 in food stamps.

Can I file retroactively for the 65 percent of the thousands in COBRA coverage I couldn’t afford when my wife recently lost 3 jobs in 4 years?

My insurance company just denied payment of a $3500 MRI because it wasn’t pre-authorized even though they didn’t show I was a member –retroactively to the 1st of January - until a week after the test. Should I call Obama for some help, because when I add the $1500 I owe for my second MRI and whatever the one my wife just had last week is going to end up costing me, I darn sure can’t afford it. Let’s just bail everyone out, that’s the kind of spending Obama has in mind…except I’ll just get that measly $7.00 a week. It would only take me 500 weeks to pay off my MRI if my appeal to the insurance company fails…but then my tax cut will run out about 450 weeks short. Maybe I should just lose my job?

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My insurance company just denied payment of a $3500 MRI because it wasn’t pre-authorized even though they didn’t show I was a member –retroactively to the 1st of January - until a week after the test. Should I call Obama for some help, because when I add the $1500 I owe for my second MRI and whatever the one my wife just had last week is going to end up costing me,

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Hello again, Steve:

Looks like a pretty good argument for universal health care.

excon

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Hello again, Steve:

Looks like a pretty good argument for universal health care.

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Like I didn't know that retort was coming. Who can argue that reforms aren't needed? My point is I manage to find a way, and there will be a backlash from people like me who do just that and watch as millions of American deadbeats get handouts from the feds.

Is this the kind of universal health care we can look forward to? From last August...

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Sen. Barack Obama's wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don't have private insurance -- primarily poor, black people -- to other health care facilities.

Michelle Obama -- currently on unpaid leave from her $317,000-a-year job as a vice president of the prestigious hospital -- helped create the program, which aims to find neighborhood doctors for low-income people who were flooding the emergency room for basic treatment. Hospital officials say such patients hinder their ability to focus on more critically ill patients in need of specialized care, such as cancer treatment and organ transplants.

Obama's top political strategist, David Axelrod, co-owns the firm, ASK Public Strategies, that was hired by the hospital last year to sell the program -- called the Urban Health Initiative -- to the community as a better alternative for poor patients. Obama's wife and Valerie Jarrett, an Obama friend and adviser who chairs the medical center's board, backed the Axelrod firm's hiring, hospital officials said.

Another Obama adviser and close friend, Dr. Eric Whitaker, took over the Urban Health Initiative when he was hired at U. of C. in October 2007. Whitaker previously had been director of the Illinois Department of Public Health. Obama has said he recommended Whitaker for the state job, giving his name to Tony Rezko, who helped Gov. Blagojevich assemble his Cabinet. Rezko, a former fund-raiser for Obama and Blagojevich, was convicted in June on federal corruption charges tied to state deals.

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Sounds strangely like patient dumping endorsed by the first lady and the president's senior advisor, in direct violation of the Emergency Medical Labor and Treatment Act. Is that what we can look forward to, shipping off the poor to one place so the well-off and well-insured can get premium care?