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  • Jan 17, 2009, 08:17 PM
    Ivorybells
    How do I confirm a tax evasion by someone ?
    A middle-aged person I know mentioned that he had not filed taxes for years. I want to confirm this as I want to whistle-blow if appropriate. I do not have his tax ID/ social security number. Research into reporting tax evasion mentions having as much info as possible. I don't want this man in trouble unless its justified, but I also don't like dishonesty. It is unlawful not to pay taxes whether we agree or not as to how they are spent. Any help would be appreciated!
  • Jan 17, 2009, 08:51 PM
    twinkiedooter

    Just because someone claims to have not filed income tax is not enough to do much about. You need to have a little bit more information to give to the IRS for them to even want to do something about this. If you have the person's name, address, place of employment that might be enough. But may I ask you this? If the person is employed at a job where they take taxes out, don't you think the IRS would have contacted them about this long ago? The IRS has a habit of sending people cute little letters telling the person they owe taxes based on last years' taxes (or whatever year) and if the person doesn't pay so much, they will happily hound them? I received one of those letters myself as I hadn't filed taxes in several years. Lucky for me when I did file my taxes I got about 4 grand in refunds due me. You can call up the IRS and tell them all about your middle aged friend if you so chose to do. There is one thing to consider as well if you don't call. When the person goes to try and collect their Social Security they will receive a piddly check versus a much larger, substantial check. Now what would you like to do? Have them pay now, or pay later?
  • Jan 17, 2009, 09:20 PM
    Ivorybells
    Thanks, Twinkiedooter!
    This fellow works indepentently for cash. There are no records to my knowledge as he is not open about his jobs and merely states he has a flexible work schedule. I know his address and birth date. Would public record databases indicate someone's tax records?
  • Jan 17, 2009, 09:40 PM
    Fr_Chuck

    And what has he done to you, that you wish to do this. Do you have the person who mows your lawn on the same list to turn in, or the parking lot full of illegals at home depo who work for cash each day.

    And does he make over the limit to be required to file
  • Jan 17, 2009, 09:58 PM
    Ivorybells
    What is the limit, Fr_ Chuck?
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:02 PM
    twinkiedooter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ivorybells View Post
    Thanks, Twinkiedooter!
    This fellow works indepentently for cash. There are no records to my knowledge as he is not open about his jobs and merely states he has a flexible work schedule. I know his address and birth date. Would public record databases indicate someone's tax records?

    Someone who works under the table is not going to be able to be turned in. Sorry. He's just going to pay later on. Don't get your panties in a bunch over this guy.
  • Jan 18, 2009, 03:01 PM
    Ivorybells
    I'll trust that God will deliver him and he repents, though I could sure use the leverage in his child custody suit against my daughter. What will be, will be.
  • Jan 18, 2009, 03:09 PM
    ScottGem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ivorybells View Post
    I'll trust that God will deliver him and he repents, though I could sure use the leverage in his child custody suit against my daughter. What will be, will be.

    Ahh now the truth comes out. This person fathered a child with your daughter and is now seeking to get custody of the child.

    This is a different story and you should have told us the facts up front. Your daughter's lawyer can subpeona his tax records. When this subpeona is served on the IRS, they will look and see if there are returns for him and they will investigate if warranted. When the judge learns that he has not filed returns, he will not look favorably on his getting custody.
  • Jan 18, 2009, 03:49 PM
    Ivorybells
    Yes, that's the situation. The guy's a head case, besides.
    I just wanted to see if I could discover the truth about him without airing all the laundry. Lawyer costs $200/hr. Ouch.


    Daughter's lawyer, who specializes in child protection, indicated that judges and court often do not look closely at non filing issues, though they should, and often don't even refer such to the IRS. I'll run subpeona by the lawyer. Thanks for the suggestion.

    I know the guy won't get the sole custody he's seeking, but even joint custody, which our state favors, makes me shiver. He can't abide by any agreement, verbal or written, or whether from, us, our lawyer or the court. He's very difficult to like much less "love".
  • Jan 18, 2009, 04:31 PM
    ScottGem

    The thing is, to get some visitation, he's got to show he can provide a home. If he reports no income, that will be difficult. So the reason for the subpeona is not to show lack if filing but to show income to provide a home. If you take that tact, you have better luck.
  • Jan 20, 2009, 07:46 PM
    Ivorybells
    I was told only the court can subpeona tax records, not our lawyer.
    Lawyer didn't seem keen on the idea for some reason as he seemed perplexed if father can't produce w-2s. My husband suggested to lawyer the court then do it.
    Father already has visitation, now called time sharing. Visitation is not linked to custody or child support [$], so he is going to see his baby as well he should. He is not happy with the time he's getting.
    His behavior is why we'd strongly prefer sole custody, which only addresses issues like residence, health, education, recreation.
    So providing a home[income] weighs more favorably than irresponsibly/dishonesty?

    He is not doing a good job with his child support so far and he pays the minimum, below min wage. First one was late, second OK and the third was late and short.

    Thanks again. You've been swell.
  • Jan 23, 2009, 09:39 PM
    trmpldonagn

    Ivory, G only knows I am not an expert in this area but I say report him anyway. The only problem is that the IRS is overwhelmed with so many complaints that they can only pick or prioritize. I know people that owe hundred of thousands of dollars and guess what? I'll bet by now you guessed. They are getting away with it and will not be investigated. It sends one heck of a message to us. Best of luck to you and I hope this man pays in one way, shape or form. Report him anyway to the State as well as the IRS. Can't hurt.
  • Jan 27, 2009, 08:53 PM
    Ivorybells
    Thanks, I'm considering all options. I did discover the gross income limit for mandatory Fed filing. It's $8950.
    As far as the IRS being over whelmed with tax evaders and unable? To get'em and the message that sends to the rest of us, it is sad, isn't it? I feel privileged to live in this country for all its faults. I pay my taxes and sleep well.
  • Jan 30, 2009, 11:34 PM
    trmpldonagn

    Good for you! I just sent a post to someone very recently because he basically believes I'm a snitch. What can you do? But thank you for your information. I did not know that $8950. Was the limit. Best to you and keep sleeping well! Smiles at you...

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