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  • Dec 19, 2008, 07:48 PM
    Bougher
    Gas Valve Test Points
    I read another post on here similar to mine. My furnace is on and everything, but cold air is coming out of the ducts. The post said to try tapping the gas valve (in case it is stuck). That didn't work. Also, I read that there is supposed to be 24 VDC on the valve prior to lighting off the machine. My question is: where do I take these readings? Thanks for the help.
  • Dec 19, 2008, 08:02 PM
    KISS

    24 VAC. Not DC

    Depends on the valve.
  • Dec 19, 2008, 08:06 PM
    hvac1000
    Post exact model and brand.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 06:25 AM
    Bougher

    This is what I saw on the sticker:

    SV9501M2528
    Reg 3.5 Adj 3-5 range
    24V 50/60HZ
    0706D3C12 19025475

    I know my problem is somewhere in the ignition area. The rotary pump at the suction is working and air is sucked through the filter. The outlet pumps are working, but cold air is coming out of the ducts. I don't know if I was supposed to see a flame at the ignition area, but I didn't.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 06:48 AM
    KC13

    What you posted looks like it came from a Honeywell Smart Valve control, not the actual model of the furnace.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 06:50 AM
    Bougher

    Okay. I don't know what that tells me.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 06:52 AM
    KC13
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hvac1000 View Post
    Post exact model and brand.

    We need more info. It's like telling us your car has Champion spark plugs; okay, but what kind of car is it?
  • Dec 20, 2008, 06:56 AM
    Bougher

    The label on the case of the furnace says:

    Excel Comfort Systems, Inc.
    Model #: MPGA050B3
    Serial #: 6239940024
    20251801B

    It's a forced air furnace with natural gas
  • Dec 20, 2008, 07:14 AM
    KC13

    There we go... okay, start here: do you have a voltmeter? Locate the pressure switch (typically a small canister, two or three wires and a small hose connected to it), and check for voltage between terminals after inducer starts.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 07:36 AM
    Bougher

    I see the small hose, but two sets of wires. One set was for control, the other for the ignitor. Also, I don't know where the terminals are. I'm so confused.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 07:48 AM
    KC13

    Confused? Good, that's the first lesson, recognize your disposition-you're well on your way here. Success is one step closer... you are looking at the Smart Valve. Remember this for later. Keep looking for the pressure switch, the hose will most likely be rubber, approx. 3/8" diameter.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 07:53 AM
    Bougher

    Okay, but I still don't know where the terminals are.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 08:06 AM
    KC13

    Where the wires are connected. If they are recessed into switch body you may have to back the wires off a little. Or, try this: remove the wires and use your multimeter to check for continuity between terminals with inducer running.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 09:46 AM
    Bougher

    I found a troubleshooting guide for the valve that helped locate the test terminals. It had me check the 24V common to hot, which gave me about 27 VAC. It also had me test 24V common to 24V thermostat/pressure switch. When I turned the P/S to ON, the reading jumped to around 15VAC but dropped back to 0VAC. Is the voltage supposed to stay high like the other? Or is it supposed to drop again?
  • Dec 20, 2008, 01:42 PM
    KC13

    Voltage should be all or nothing. Partial voltage indicates some resistance in the circuit that shouldn't be there. Did you check the pressure switch yet?
  • Dec 20, 2008, 03:22 PM
    hvac1000
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    Voltage should be all or nothing. Partial voltage indicates some resistance in the circuit that shouldn't be there. Did you check the pressure switch yet?


    Take a look at this to troubleshoot.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 06:03 PM
    Bougher

    That is the same troubleshooting guide I was using. The common to pressure switch voltage is what was giving my the spike and 0 reading. It tells me a bunch of stuff to check, but I'm not entirely sure how to check all that stuff.
  • Dec 20, 2008, 06:31 PM
    KC13

    At some point you may have to just bite the bullet and call in a pro. Not all problems can be solved over the internet in spite of the massive conglomeration of infinite genuis available here.:(
  • Dec 20, 2008, 07:07 PM
    hvac1000
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    At some point you may have to just bite the bullet and call in a pro. Not all problems can be solved over the internet in spite of the massive conglomeration of infinite genuis available here.:(

    Agree
  • Dec 21, 2008, 10:40 AM
    Bougher

    I called the pros. I told them what I've done so far and they said to see if the pressure switch is clogged. I took off the pressure switch and blew in it and I heard the bellows move, so I know it isn't clogged. I hooked it back up and tried to check for a voltage while the furnace was on, but I got nothing. I am supposed to see a voltage, right?

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