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  • Dec 17, 2008, 07:49 AM
    njroll
    Misdemeanor of the 4th degree
    Has anyone ever gotten in trouble for Peeing in Public? I got a ticket for it and have to go to court. It was a Misdemeanor of the 4th degree and I have never had anything on my record so I was wanting to know what kind of punishment I would get? I am hoping for just a fine but like I said I have never been in this siutaion so I wanted to get some feed back.

    Thanks
  • Dec 17, 2008, 08:22 AM
    JudyKayTee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by njroll View Post
    Has anyone ever gotten in trouble for Peeing in Public? I got a ticket for it and have to go to court. it was a Misdemeanor of the 4th degree and I have never had anything on my record so I was wanting to know what kind of punishment I would get? I am hoping for just a fine but like I said I have never been in this siutaion so I wanted to get some feed back.

    thanks



    Probably a fine and a harsh lecture. Is the ticket for indecent exposure? Public nuisance?

    In some States you can be sentenced to not more than 30 days in jail. You have no past record?
  • Dec 17, 2008, 08:30 AM
    njroll
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    Probably a fine and a harsh lecture. Is the ticket for indecent exposure? Public nuisance?

    In some States you can be sentenced to not more than 30 days in jail. You have no past record?


    Yeah I have no past record...

    It doesn't really say either on there it just has comments about the Section Blah blah

    And it does say exposed private parts
  • Dec 17, 2008, 08:36 AM
    JudyKayTee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by njroll View Post
    Yeah I have no past record....

    It doesnt really say either on there it just has comments about the Section Blah blah

    And it does say exposed private parts



    It's indecent exposure. I'll "guess" (no one but the Judge knows what the sentence will be) that you will be given a fine no more than $250 and a harsh lecture about keeping zipped up in public.

    Now, if there were children around or females (and I don't see any indication of this) I see another scenario.
  • Dec 17, 2008, 09:08 AM
    excon
    Hello nj:

    Judy is right on. They probably won't slam you too hard...

    However, they MIGHT want to tag you as a sex offender. That's something you should AVOID at ALL costs. THAT will be problamatic for the REST of your life.

    Sooooo, I wouldn't be going into this without some legal help. As a matter of fact, I'd hire the best criminal lawyer I could find.

    excon
  • Dec 17, 2008, 09:10 AM
    njroll
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello nj:

    Judy is right on. They probably won't slam you too hard...

    However, they MIGHT want to tag you as a sex offender. That's something you should AVOID at ALL costs. THAT will be problamatic for the REST of your life.

    Sooooo, I wouldn't be going into this without some legal help. As a matter of fact, I'd hire the best criminal lawyer I could find.

    excon


    Ok so if they won't slam me to hard I don't see them tagging me as a sex offender! That is crazy there was no one around He seen me as he was driving by
  • Dec 17, 2008, 09:20 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by njroll View Post
    That is crazy

    Hello again, nj:

    It IS crazy... That doesn't mean the state won't do it!!

    But, if you feel confident, go for it... I sure wouldn't. I KNOW these people.

    excon
  • Dec 17, 2008, 09:28 AM
    twinkiedooter

    Had this happened in the Marshall Islands in the Pacific you would have been given a $5 fine. Over here in America anything can happen! Better take Excon's advice and seek legal assistance if this is not just a fine you can pay and that's the end of it. If you have to appear in Court, the Judge can sentence you to jail!
  • Dec 17, 2008, 11:06 AM
    Fr_Chuck

    Yes there are a lot of cases where they call this a sex crime and put you there with the sex offenders.

    So I would get an attoreny, while most likely a fine and nothing else, this type of charge has hurt a lot of people for years to come
  • Dec 17, 2008, 11:37 AM
    njroll
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    yes there are alot of cases where they call this a sex crime and put you there with the sex offenders.

    So I would get an attoreny, while most likely a fine and nothing else, this type of charge has hurt alot of people for years to come


    I found this on the watch dog webiste

    This is one of the biggest sex offender myths propagated by registry opponents. There are no more than 463 offenders in a population of over 150,000 that could possibly have been convicted of peeing in public.

    Background

    There is not a single state that requires a conviction and registration for peeing in public. These states have laws against exposing one’s genitalia to the view of a minor or another person who may be offended. If you are peeing into a bush and no one can see your genitalia, there is no crime and no requirement for registration.

    Below are the 13 states referenced in the HRW study. We have included the total number of offenders registered by state for a single conviction for Indecent Exposure (or Public Indecency):

    State
    Count


    AZ
    0


    CA
    0


    CT
    0
    *

    ID
    6


    GA
    21


    KY
    0


    MA
    0


    MI
    0
    **

    NH
    0


    OK
    433
    ***

    SC
    0


    UT
    3


    VT
    0




    Even if all 463 offenders were convicted of peeing in public (statistical probability 0%), this would only account for less than 0.1% of all offenders.

    * CT law does not make simple Public Indecency a registerable offense
    Sec. 53a-186. Public indecency: Class B misdemeanor. - Connecticut Sec. 53a-186. Public indecency: Class B misdemeanor. - Connecticut Code :: Justia

    ** Michigan requires a second conviction of Indecent Exposure that includes fondling under Section 335 to be a registerable offense.
    (Michigan Legislature)
    Michigan Legislature

    *** A statistically significant sample of 50 of the 433 Oklahoma offenders convicted of a single count of Indecent Exposure exposed the following:

    8 not found in DOC records
    8 sentences suspended
    12 incarcerated
    22 were sentenced to probation (between 4 and 20 years)

    It is highly unlikely that an offender convicted of peeing in public would be sentenced to probation or incarceration.
  • Dec 17, 2008, 01:10 PM
    JudyKayTee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by njroll View Post
    I found this on the watch dog webiste

    This is one of the biggest sex offender myths propagated by registry opponents. There are no more than 463 offenders in a population of over 150,000 that could possibly have been convicted of peeing in public.

    Background

    There is not a single state that requires a conviction and registration for peeing in public. These states have laws against exposing one's genitalia to the view of a minor or another person who may be offended. If you are peeing into a bush and no one can see your genitalia, there is no crime and no requirement for registration.

    Below are the 13 states referenced in the HRW study. We have included the total number of offenders registered by state for a single conviction for Indecent Exposure (or Public Indecency):

    State
    Count


    AZ
    0


    CA
    0


    CT
    0
    *

    ID
    6


    GA
    21


    KY
    0


    MA
    0


    MI
    0
    **

    NH
    0


    OK
    433
    ***

    SC
    0


    UT
    3


    VT
    0




    Even if all 463 offenders were convicted of peeing in public (statistical probability 0%), this would only account for less than 0.1% of all offenders.

    * CT law does not make simple Public Indecency a registerable offense
    Sec. 53a-186. Public indecency: Class B misdemeanor. - Connecticut Sec. 53a-186. Public indecency: Class B misdemeanor. - Connecticut Code :: Justia

    ** Michigan requires a second conviction of Indecent Exposure that includes fondling under Section 335 to be a registerable offense.
    (Michigan Legislature)
    Michigan Legislature

    *** A statistically significant sample of 50 of the 433 Oklahoma offenders convicted of a single count of Indecent Exposure exposed the following:

    8 not found in DOC records
    8 sentences suspended
    12 incarcerated
    22 were sentenced to probation (between 4 and 20 years)

    It is highly unlikely that an offender convicted of peeing in public would be sentenced to probation or incarceration.



    Once again I have no idea why people post when they think they already know the answer. My suggestion - you know how it works. Go to Court without an Attorney and give the Judge your statistics.

    Come back and let us know what happens so "we" can inform the next person.

    Meanwhile - I stand by my advice.

    Oh, and in the future, keep it in your pants when you're in public. I don't want myself or my children walking through your urine.
  • Dec 17, 2008, 01:13 PM
    chiquitavallejo

    It can really go a number of ways, but its not a major crime. If you write a decent apology the judge might just say don't do it again. You might just have to do community service... this really won't affect you in the future too much, as in it won't prevent you from getting jobs or anything like that... just try to relax, it will all blow over. And then you'll have a funny story to tell later!
  • Dec 17, 2008, 01:15 PM
    JudyKayTee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chiquitavallejo View Post
    It can really go a number of ways, but its not a major crime. If you write a decent apology the judge might just say dont do it again. You might just have to do community service... this really won't affect you in the future too much, as in it wont prevent you from getting jobs or anything like that... just try to relax, it will all blow over. And then you'll have a funny story to tell later!



    Would you post your reference for this as well as the State? In my area people have been sentenced to fines and 30 days and it hasn't turned into a funny story.

    Always glad to learn if it's different in another area. I don't know what OP is referencing when he quotes his statistics/facts but perhaps his urinating was not witnessed by a child.
  • Dec 17, 2008, 01:29 PM
    njroll
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by judykaytee View Post
    once again i have no idea why people post when they think they already know the answer. My suggestion - you know how it works. Go to court without an attorney and give the judge your statistics.

    Come back and let us know what happens so "we" can inform the next person.

    Meanwhile - i stand by my advice.

    Oh, and in the future, keep it in your pants when you're in public. I don't want myself or my children walking through your urine.



    Shut up and don't read it then!
  • Dec 17, 2008, 01:31 PM
    njroll
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chiquitavallejo View Post
    It can really go a number of ways, but its not a major crime. If you write a decent apology the judge might just say dont do it again. You might just have to do community service... this really won't affect you in the future too much, as in it wont prevent you from getting jobs or anything like that... just try to relax, it will all blow over. And then you'll have a funny story to tell later!


    Thanks I like your advice the best.. I have been worried about it for a while and I think that is just what I have to do!

    Thanks
  • Dec 17, 2008, 01:35 PM
    chiquitavallejo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by njroll View Post
    Thanks I like your advice the best.. I have been worried about it for a while and I think that is just what I have to do!

    Thanks

    Noo problem. I'm basing my info off the fact that I know several people who got in trouble for drug-related issues, which I think is a lottt worse than peeing in public. Maybe it's the liberal Massachusetts that I'm from, but the courts let my friends off the hook with a fine and community service -- no big deal. I hope it all goes well for you!
  • Dec 17, 2008, 01:38 PM
    njroll
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chiquitavallejo View Post
    Noo problem. I'm basing my info off the fact that I know several people who got in trouble for drug-related issues, which I think is a lottt worse than peeing in public. Maybe its the liberal Massachusetts that I'm from, but the courts let my friends off the hook with a fine and community service -- no big deal. I hope it all goes well for you!

    Yeah I know that is how it is in Ohio. My friend got Disorderly Conduct and got community service and a fine and I know a lot of people that have gotten underages and things like that and have gotten the same thing. I am hoping for the best since I have never been in trouble in my life I am hoping that will work for me!:)
  • Dec 17, 2008, 01:38 PM
    twinkiedooter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chiquitavallejo View Post
    It can really go a number of ways, but its not a major crime. If you write a decent apology the judge might just say dont do it again. You might just have to do community service... this really won't affect you in the future too much, as in it wont prevent you from getting jobs or anything like that... just try to relax, it will all blow over. And then you'll have a funny story to tell later!

    I, for one, don't think that this will prove to be a "funny story" ending. Writing a letter of apology to the Judge - what planet are you on to think this will work? Don't think so. Sorry.
  • Dec 17, 2008, 01:40 PM
    JudyKayTee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by njroll View Post
    shut up and dont read it then!


    I suspect that public urination/indecent exposure are the least of your problems.
  • Dec 17, 2008, 01:44 PM
    njroll
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    I suspect that public urination/indecent exposure are the least of your problems.

    Me too I have bigger things to worry about in the world then things like this!

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