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  • Nov 6, 2008, 02:08 PM
    classyT
    A thankless job!
    I received this article in my e-mail I am in full agreement. I am ashamed of the way that President Bush has been treated. He has kept this country safe since the 9/11 attack. I'm curious as to your thoughts...


    The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
    What must our enemies be thinking?

    By JEFFREY SCOTT SHAPIRO
    Earlier this year, 12,000 people in San Francisco signed a petition in support of a proposition on a local ballot to rename an Oceanside sewage plant after George W. Bush. The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.

    According to recent Gallup polls, the president's average approval rating is below 30% -- down from his 90% approval in the wake of 9/11. Mr. Bush has endured relentless attacks from the left while facing abandonment from the right.

    This is the price Mr. Bush is paying for trying to work with both Democrats and Republicans. During his 2004 victory speech, the president reached out to voters who supported his opponent, John Kerry, and said, "Today, I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust."

    Those bipartisan efforts have been met with crushing resistance from both political parties.

    The president's original Supreme Court choice of Harriet Miers alarmed Republicans, while his final nomination of Samuel Alito angered Democrats. His solutions to reform the immigration system alienated traditional conservatives, while his refusal to retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the challenges we face there.

    It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.

    Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country's current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them.

    Like the president said in his 2004 victory speech, "We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us. And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America."

    To be sure, Mr. Bush is not completely alone. His low approval ratings put him in the good company of former Democratic President Harry S. Truman, whose own approval rating sank to 22% shortly before he left office. Despite Mr. Truman's low numbers, a 2005 Wall Street Journal poll found that he was ranked the seventh most popular president in history.

    Just as Americans have gained perspective on how challenging Truman's presidency was in the wake of World War II, our country will recognize the hardship President Bush faced these past eight years -- and how extraordinary it was that he accomplished what he did in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

    The treatment President Bush has received from this country is nothing less than a disgrace. The attacks launched against him have been cruel and slanderous, proving to the world what little character and resolve we have. The president is not to blame for all these problems. He never lost faith in America or her people, and has tried his hardest to continue leading our nation during a very difficult time.

    Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty -- a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House.

    Mr. Shapiro is an investigative reporter and lawyer who previously interned with John F. Kerry's legal team during the presidential election in 2004.
  • Nov 6, 2008, 02:31 PM
    TexasParent

    I was neutral towards George W. Bush until he lied, mislead, or the incompetence of his intelligence gathering departments led the nation and the world to believe there were WMD's in Iraq.

    He betrayed the people whom he asked for support. Principles above personalities, and he disgraced the Presidency and put American's further in harms way when he or his advisors knowingly or incompetently rushed to war with Iraq.

    If he had of been honest with American's from the outset, I think his Presidency would have been very different. If he had simply said: "Saddam Hussein is a rouge element in the Middle East and we can't have him controlling a good portion of Middle Easten oil and holding America or the rest of the world hostage with it. For that reason I am authorizing military action to remove the Hussien regime from office".

    People would have been upset, but would have understood that he was protecting American interests and the worlds from a rouge dictator.

    Instead, he lied; yes lied. The reason I say that is a various times in the Iraq war the spin was different as to why where were there. When they couldn't find the WMD's it was suddenly Operation Iraqi Freedom and made it know that our primary motivation was to liberate the Iraqi people from this butcher, yet as hundreds of thousands were being hacked to death in Africa we did nothing.

    We couldn't stand the bullsh... it anymore, it was one lie after another to further their agenda.

    Could you continuely support a liar, someone who brought disgrace to the ideals America stands for. America and what we stand for is bigger than any President; and when that President betrays those ideals, he betrays us all and is not worthy of our support.

    ----------------

    I imagine you could no longer support Bill Clinton when he disgraced the Presidency with his sexual relations. So did you, did you continue to support him?

    No, I think you didn't; for the same reason many of us couldn't support George W. Bush, it wasn't his policies per say, those we can always argue about and still support the President; it was his personal and some would say criminal dishonesty towards We The People... and the rest of the world.
  • Nov 6, 2008, 03:16 PM
    classyT

    Texas,

    Don't ask me a question and answer it for me. I didn't care for Bill Clinton but I would have felt the same indignation if they had tried to name a sewage plant after him. We are talking about OUR President. It is a disgrace!

    I don't think George Bush intentionally lied. You can call think what you want about him but he isn't a liar.
  • Nov 6, 2008, 03:21 PM
    TexasParent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    Texas,

    don't ask me a question and answer it for me. I didn't care for Bill Clinton but I would have felt the same indignation if they had tried to name a sewage plant after him. We are talking about OUR President. It is a disgrace!

    I don't think George Bush intentionally lied. You can call think what you want about him but he isn't a liar.

    Oh... the sewage plant. You are right, no President including the criminal Richard M. Nixon deserves to have a sewage plant named after them. A jail maybe... <kidding>.
  • Nov 6, 2008, 03:48 PM
    Skell
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    Texas,

    I don't think George Bush intentionally lied. You can call think what you want about him but he isn't a liar.

    I don't agree with him being treated with complete disrespect.

    You don't think he lied. Millions of others do. And they don't like it. And it many ways Obamas defeat of McCain is testament to the disappointment people have felt at being lied to. Many like you think he isn't a liar. Many others think he is.

    There is no such thing as an unintentional lie...
  • Nov 6, 2008, 03:57 PM
    speechlesstx
    Funny how 8 years of Bush bashing has turned into "let's unite and work together" overnight, eh?
  • Nov 6, 2008, 04:24 PM
    TexasParent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Funny how 8 years of Bush bashing has turned into "let's unite and work together" overnight, eh?

    If Obama doesn't betray our trust, I think it's an ideal worth pursuing. The last two President's have; let's hope Obama changes that, since he's promised hope and change... ;)
  • Nov 6, 2008, 04:34 PM
    Galveston1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TexasParent View Post
    If Obama doesn't betray our trust, I think it's an ideal worth pursuing. The last two President's have; let's hope Obama changes that, since he's promised hope and change...;)

    Dream on!
  • Nov 6, 2008, 04:38 PM
    tomder55

    Yeah now we should all be post-partisan . The one with the righteous wind has willed it .

    Quote:

    The ill wind of opportunism is falling, the righteous wind of socialism is on the rise.


    By the end of this year the victory of socialism will be greatly assured. Naturally there will be many struggles ahead and we must struggle hard.

    If you thought that quote was from Obama's acceptance speech you would be wrong. That was a quote from Chairman Mao.
    The Writings of Mao Zedong, 1949-1976 - Google Book Search

    Pg 724-725
  • Nov 6, 2008, 04:39 PM
    classyT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Skell View Post
    I dont agree with him being treated with complete disrespect.

    You dont think he lied. Millions of others do. And they dont like it. And it many ways Obamas defeat of McCain is testament to the disappointment people have felt at being lied to. Many like you think he isnt a liar. Many others think he is.

    There is no such thing as an unintentional lie.....

    Yes, it isn't complete disrespect to name a sewage plant after him... I don't know what I was thinking.:rolleyes:

    _____________________________

    Note. Sorry skell I misunderstood you.. I thought you meant you didn't feel he HAD been treated with disrespect. My bad.
  • Nov 6, 2008, 04:43 PM
    TexasParent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    yeah now we should all be post-partisan . The one with the righteous wind has willed it .



    If you thought that quote was from Obama's acceptance speech you would be wrong. That was a quote from Chairman Mao.
    The Writings of Mao Zedong, 1949-1976 - Google Book Search

    pg 724-725

    Social policies are not socialism. Education for instance. If we required all American's families to have a choice as to educate their children or not and much of that choice would be dependent on the ability to pay. Millions of children would not be eduated if it were not for a social education policy.

    The policy exists for the good of all American's, to have children prepared to be contributing members of society and the economy so we have a competitive advantage globally. Educating the masses is a good social program. Is it so difficult for you to see that both private and public solutions are required in a complex society or are you so married to your ideology that you can't find intellectual compromise?
  • Nov 6, 2008, 06:45 PM
    Skell
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    yes, it isn't complete disrespect to name a sewage plant after him...i don't know what i was thinking.:rolleyes:

    _____________________________

    Note. sorry skell i misunderstood you..i thought you meant you didn't feel he HAD been treated with disrespect. my bad.

    No probs.
  • Nov 6, 2008, 08:33 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    This is the price Mr. Bush is paying for trying to work with both Democrats and Republicans. During his 2004 victory speech, the president reached out to voters who supported his opponent, John Kerry, and said, "Today, I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust."

    Those bipartisan efforts have been met with crushing resistance from both political parties.

    Hello T:

    Those bipartisan efforts were NOTHING but TALK. He NEVER had a Democrat over to the White House for dinner. He NEVER invited a Democrat to Camp David. He ran the most PARTISAN administration in history, trying to ILLEGALLY Republicanize the government.

    He deserves everything he gets.

    I will say, however, that he's been uncharacteristically gracious these past few days.

    excon
  • Nov 7, 2008, 06:17 AM
    classyT

    Ex.

    He never had a democrat to the white house for dinner? Please. Just because you weren't invited doesn't make that statement true.

    Yes, he has been gracious. Certainnly MORE gracious than the LAST administration. When he moved into the white house all the W.'s were taken off the keyboard. REAL CLASSY.

    He was hated at the get go and the democrats refused to get behind him. I will give you ONE example... take a look at Pelosi ( I have a hard time looking at her.. she makes me PUKE) she went to Syria even after the President asked her NOT to. They thumbed their noses at him every chance they got AND you want to blame HIM for the partisan administration? Get real.

    You don't have to agree with him.. I get that. But give the man AND the office the respect that is due. The way he has been treated by some of the American people, the democrats AND the media is a disgrace.
  • Nov 7, 2008, 06:23 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    Certainnly MORE gracious than the LAST administration. When he moved into the white house all the W.'s were taken off the keyboard. REAL CLASSY.

    It was a practical joke.
  • Nov 7, 2008, 06:31 AM
    speechlesstx
    [QUOTE=excon;1361294]Hello T:

    Quote:

    Those bipartisan efforts were NOTHING but TALK. He NEVER had a Democrat over to the White House for dinner. He NEVER invited a Democrat to Camp David. He ran the most PARTISAN administration in history, trying to ILLEGALLY Republicanize the government.
    Yes he did...

    Former US President John F Kennedy's family turned up at the White House at President George Bush's invitation to watch the movie "Thirteen Days" about Kennedy and the Cuban missile crisis. White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said, it was Bush's idea to invite the Kennedys over. "It was the president's idea because the movie, 'Thirteen Days,' is about the Cuban missile crisis. The president thought it would be appropriate to have the Kennedy family here to watch the movie in the White House where so much of that movie took place," Fleischer said. Kennedy clan -- Democratic Congressman Patrick Kennedy, Democrat-Maryland Lt. Governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy -- accepted President Bush's invitation for dinner and the movie. Also invited were Caroline Kennedy, President Kennedy's only surviving child, and her husband. (IANS)

    More than once...

    President Bush, confronted face to face with the reality of divided government, broke bread with the two top House Democrats at the White House and vowed not to allow partisan divisions to hobble the remaining two years of his presidency...

    Pelosi and Bush offered smiles and pledges of cooperation as they faced reporters in the Oval Office after a lunch of pasta salad in the president's private dining room. "We won't agree on every issue," Bush said. "But we do agree that we love America equally, that we are concerned about the future of the country and that we will do our very best to address big problems."

    "We both extended the hand of friendship," said Pelosi, who will be the first female speaker of the House in history when the new Congress convenes.

    He also had Dems over for the bailout meeting where Paulson begged on his knees, and who knows what else? Can we get over this Bush hatred now?
  • Nov 7, 2008, 06:37 AM
    classyT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    It was a practical joke.

    Well I have a great sense of humor but that was in BAD taste.. and was downright embarrassing. But in reality, that isn't the worst of how he was treated... it was just a little preview.
  • Nov 7, 2008, 06:55 AM
    tomder55

    Imagine what will be said if any such practical joke is played on Obama. Yes President Bush is being very gracious . He remembers the degree of cooperation he got from the Clintonoids.

    Re cooperation with Democrats :

    He also had Bill Clinton act as special envoy on tsunami relief and distributing Katrina aid.

    He has Hank Paulson ;a Democrat at Treasury ,and he retained Clintonoids like Richard Clark as his advisor to the National Security Council and others throughout his administration.
    And lets not forget that he worked closely with Sen Kennedy on NCLB ;with other Democrats on issues like immigration reform and the Aids in Africa initiatives among other issues.
  • Nov 7, 2008, 07:01 AM
    excon
    Hello again:

    Ok. As George W. Bush rides off into the sunset NEVER to be heard from again, I'll stop referring to him as a dufus. That's the best I can do.

    excon
  • Nov 7, 2008, 07:40 AM
    ScottGem

    I doubt if anyone has any greater disdain for Dubya than I do. But I will agree that trying to name a sewage plant after him was pretty tacky (He doesn't desereve to have anything named after him).

    But to say he's kept the country safe since 9/11 is ridiculous. How many Americans have died in Iraq as a direct result of his mismanagment of the presidency?

    The billions of dollars he has wasted in waging war in Iraq had a contributory effect on the current financial crisis. And that wasn't keeping us safe either.

    In my opinion Dubya deserves all the ridcule being heaped on him. If the office of the presidency has been dishonored is because of the occupant.

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