I have felt for many years now that the increasing severity and expense of natural disasters are likely judgments from God to try to get our attention. Each storm, fire, and flood becomes more devastating and expensive. As a nation, we have tried to stick our finger in His eye on several issues. Not only that, but the blood of more than 40 MILLION innocent victims cry for justice, and the slaughter continues.
One prophet warned last Aug. (2007) of financial collapse of several foreign nations, which will result in the total collapse of our own banks. He says a bank holiday will be declared, and then we are in for a really bad 6 months.
Whether you choose to believe it or not, it would take little to complete the destruction of our financial institutions now.
We have had the love of God preached almost exclusively for so long that we have forgotten that He does have certain requirements in order for us to enjoy His blessings.
So be skeptical if you wish, but Christians would do well to think about their own situation. If you hear of foreign countries defaulting on their loans, then move to protect yourself quickly.

I have felt for many years now that the growing greed and selfishness by so many are a reflection of the increasing poverty of the mind by those who have it so much better than the remaining two-third of humanity. One of the reasons I lived for 30 years in the tropics to help the people there by educating them.

The sad but true reality is that due to the natural consequences of our own human misuse of nature, the severity and expense of natural disasters are growing, and slowly but surely the situation and the cause of this all starts getting our attention. Each storm, fire, and flood becomes more devastating and expensive. All you can hope is that our attention is followed by action, and that it may not be too late.

If one has to invent a deity to "explain" what is the cause and what is the solution to what we see today, I think you miss the entire reality of the situation.

To use lines like "the blood of more than 40 MILLION innocent victims cry for justice, and the slaughter continues" is a clincher for one who is part of a nation that is at the cause of the injustice to - and misuse of - at least 1/3 of humanity. A nation that is illegaly involved in a war in Iraq, a nation that is losing a war in Afghanistan, a nation that was involved in many lost wars in the past, and is presently first-line involved in the causes of worldwide dishonesty and misuse of the weak, the sick, and the poor.

Even your post is based on clearly misinformation and deliberate misconstruction of facts.
The financial problems worldwide are CAUSED by the US financial system. Not the other way around.

And that collapse itself was caused again on - how surprising - greed and selfishness within the US (financial) system, where money is more important than anything else, and where those who have it are getting richer, and where the poor are getting poorer - because the system is actually based on that.

In reality the US financial problems were caused by ridiculous and wild schemes within the US banking, insurance, and broker systems that hardly anyone anymore could understand and control. Greed by management caused the system to go over the threshold of sanity, and collapse became inevitable.
Actually the US is already for many decades in essence bankrupt - financially and morally - and has been kept floating on a sea of money by other industrial nations and OPEC members, in the attempt to prevent a major financial collapse worldwide as a result.

To involve "God" now in this situation must really be the utmost of religious hypocrasy and foolishness.

Any sane person would start looking in his or her own backyard for cause and blame, and every US American would do better pointing the finger in the own direction and look at the real causes that resulted in this collapse.

As far as I can see this hypothetical entity "God" has nothing to do with that ....
And if you insist involving this deity into this mess :
May be your "God" (if it exists) is telling you something ....

And if there is any judgement on it's way it will be judgement of humanity against the endless greediness and selfnishness of the US nation...


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Heck in 1998 and 1999 economic forecasts warned of bank failures because of the home loan programs started at that time, that has continued for almost 10 years.

But yes America was blessed and given a lot, but they have mis-used their "talents" they were given as the servants in the bible.
I am not sure that the warnings are not over and the punishment may be coming.

Cred, you may be into self flagellation, but I am not. What my country has done is help disaster victims around the world as much as possible. That is not the problem. This is.

Ps 9:17
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
(KJV)

This basically says that the wicked and nations that forget God will die.

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Cred, you may be into self flagellation, but I am not. What my country has done is help disaster victims around the world as much as possible. That is not the problem.

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Wrong Galveston. The US capitalistic system and mentality is at the source of all the problems we encounter now worldwide.
Next to that is the locally lacking reality that the real US deity is not the Christian "God", but the Dollar sign...

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Gal, I see that you were having an apopcalyptic *dream* Saturday night... lots of professional money people saw this coming long ago, your "prophet" friend was late on the bandwagon, girl! Lol Stick with honest market professionals for answers.

This economic catastrophe was MAN MADE by rich, greedy, and powerful American men in finance, realestate and poliltics. Politics----that would be Bush the nincompoop for starters.

This mess has nothing to do with an ancient folklore god! l

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What my country has done is help disaster victims around the world as much as possible.

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The US disaster help is peanuts related to the US exploitation, economic terror, and political pressure put on the rest of humanity.
You clearly have no idea how bad it really is...

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Wrong Galveston. The US capitalistic system and mentality is at the source of all the problems we encounter now worldwide.
Next to that is the locally lacking reality that the real US deity is not the Christian "God", but the Dollar sign ....


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Explain to me what politcal / economic form of government you believe in.

Please tell me how that system would help the world?

Has socialism or communim or dictatorship been a blessing to the world or to the people under its government? Provide proof.

That said:

Any man made system is flawed and imperfect.

Acts 4 - is ideal, and that was based on BELIEF IN GOD.:)

As per topic "Politics within the Church " :

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Every system has it's pro's and it's con's. There are good and bad systems, but the division theist / non-theist has no relation with that. Remember that even strict religious controlled nations have terrible track records on human dignity and rights issues, including even wars and killing records.

So :

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You have politics and you have religion.
From me you may believe whatever you want. And you may have your political preference, whatever that is.
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Religion is in essence about the hereafter.
Politics is in essence about today and tomorrow.
Religion and politics do - for the biggest part - not cover the same fields of interests.
Let's keep it that way.

Keep Church and State separated !!!

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You don't think that disasters are more expensive because we pack more and more stuff into areas? That seems to be a logical cause.

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As per topic "Politics within the Church " :


Every system has it's pro's and it's con's. There are good and bad systems, but the division theist / non-theist has no relation with that. Remember that even strict religious controlled nations have terrible track records on human dignity and rights issues, including even wars and killing records.

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You never answered the question about which politico - economic system you favor?

It is easy to rant and criticize about capitalism and Christianity - and that is all your position is. You don't have the back bone to suggest or live in a communist/socialist country like Cuba - do you? :confused:



I suggest you look at the track record of anti religious regimes like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.

Of course, in those regimes church is suppressed, not just separate. You would have been happy there ;)


1st Amendment allows freedom of religious expression. The establishment clause has nothing to do with either the GOP or the DEMS.

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No I did not. Look at the top of the page. It clearly states :
Home > Forum Community > Member Discussions > Religious Discussions >.
Questions about politic-economic systems do not belong here...

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I have my personal thoughts on capitalism, but I criticize the link between capitalism and Christianity. Your religious leader Jesus was anything but capitalist. His actions clearly showed a social character. So logically Christians should also favor that philosophy.
How strange than that most of them do not...

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You don't have the back bone to suggest or live in a communist/socialist country like Cuba - do you?

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During my life I lived in many extreme rightwing and extreme leftwing countries. I learned to be a-political when being a guest in other countries.
My personal favorit system is a social guided capitalistic system, and not the US hard capitalistic system.

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What do I have to care about the political arrangements in your banana republic? Specially as recent developments showed that your political system is totally flawed and hardly cares for the common good of the individual, but favors the rich and the powerful.

If you want to address questions about political systems please post them on the proper board, and if you alert me I will react there !

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No I did not. Look at the top of the page. It clearly states :
Home > Forum Community > Member Discussions > Religious Discussions >.
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https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ml#post1317103

Odd that you should mention this because as the first to reply, your's is a diatribe against the US economic - political system.

You should heed your own words :p

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I have my personal thoughts on capitalism, but I criticize the link between capitalism and Christianity. Your religious leader Jesus was anything but capitalist. His actions clearly showed a social character. So logically Christians should also favor that philosophy.
How strange than that most of them do not ....

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You misunderstand. Charity and love are INDIVIDUAL attributes, NOT governmental.

Besides, if government, by force of law, takes income from one individual to give to another is that really an act of love?

John Stossel : Who gives to charity? - Townhall.com


Read the parable of the talents - did Jesus say to the productive one " I'll give what you produced to the one who hid his talent?"

Go through the book of Proverbs in regards to work.

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During my life I lived in many extreme rightwing and extreme leftwing countries. I learned to be a-political when being a guest in other countries.
My personal favorit system is a social guided capitalistic system, and not the US hard capitalistic system.

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What exactly is "social guided capitalistic?" :rolleyes:

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What do I have to care about the political arrangements in your banana republic? Specially as recent developments showed that your political system is totally flawed and hardly cares for the common good of the individual, but favors the rich and the powerful.

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If you will remember , this "banana republic" has been through worse - Civil War, Great Depression, Jimmy Carter, and always comes through stonger :D

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Odd that you should mention this because as the first to reply, your's is a diatribe against the US economic - political system.

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Not really. It is an observation that a nation that is full about it's Christian population majority fails to display all the basics of what Jesus taught humanity : social commitment and mutual assistence to your fellow human beings instead of self-interested money grabbing as per US capitalistic system.
Jesus did not invest in the money changers in the temple : he threw them out.
Jesus did not sell his fishes and bread to the masses, but he shared it with all.

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There you go again:

Casting judgements against Christians and the US. Imperfect like the rest of the world.

For someone who repeatedly asks Christians about their OSE for God, the Bible, and Jesus, [ since you don't believe it is true without OSE ] you sure have no problem misinterpreting the Bible for your own intentions.


I'll repeat it again:


You misunderstand. Charity and love are INDIVIDUAL attributes, NOT governmental


As to money ; 1 Tim 6:10

It is the love of money - that I agree with you.

However, money can be used for good purposes also.


Finally:

Jesus is about saving sinners from the eternal consequences of their sins. Christians are and should be the acknowledged sinners.





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I have felt for many years now that the increasing severity and expense of natural disasters are likely judgments from God to try to get our attention. Each storm, fire, and flood becomes more devastating and expensive. As a nation, we have tried to stick our finger in His eye on several issues. Not only that, but the blood of more than 40 MILLION innocent victims cry for justice, and the slaughter continues.
One prophet warned last Aug. (2007) of financial collapse of several foreign nations, which will result in the total collapse of our own banks. He says a bank holiday will be declared, and then we are in for a really bad 6 months.
Whether you choose to believe it or not, it would take little to complete the destruction of our financial institutions now.
We have had the love of God preached almost exclusively for so long that we have forgotten that He does have certain requirements in order for us to enjoy His blessings.
So be skeptical if you wish, but Christians would do well to think about their own situation. If you hear of foreign countries defaulting on their loans, then move to protect yourself quickly.

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James 1: 1-12

1 Peter 1: 3-9

Romans 12: 9- 21

2 Corinthians 1: 3-7

1 Thess 5: 16-18

Phil 4 : 4-7, 11-13

God is sovreign through it all! :)


"God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks to us in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: It is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world." - CS Lewis

It sounds like Cred thinks US politicians are Christians. HAHAHA!

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God, Patriotism and Taxes - WSJ.com

Raising taxes on the rich is the "patriotic" thing to do. On Thursday he upped the ante, thundering that he also has Jesus in his corner. "Catholic social doctrine as I was taught it is, you take care of people who need the help the most," Mr. Biden preached to a group of union supporters on Thursday...


By the way, Mr. Biden and his wife recently released their tax returns, and they reported an average of $380, or 0.2% of their income, in annual charitable contributions over a 10-year period. The national average was about 2% of income.

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Yeah the Biden/Obama kind of Christian.

Bloomberg.com: Worldwide

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Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign.

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With their % increase only coming after he decided to run for POTUS.


Compare that to McCain

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John McCain Discloses Data on His Charity Giving - Philanthropy.com

In 2007, the Arizona senator reported $405,409 in total income and contributed $105,467, or 26 percent of his total income, to charity.

In 2006, Mr. McCain said he had $358,414 in total income and donated $64,695, or 18 percent of his total income, to charity.

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Some may say half went as a tax deduction to his kids schools, but half of 18 % is still several times the % of income Biden + Obama gave.

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It sounds like Cred thinks US politicians are Christians. HAHAHA!

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How can you think that? No, not politicians ! The majority of politicians are the "whores of society".
I am talking about the average US American who often let it be known that he is a Christian and proud of that.
But unlike Mc Cain's hypothetical "Joe the plumber" most real Joe's are only talking about the Christian virtues, but are not wellknown for holding to these themselves!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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.... Some may say half went as a tax deduction to his kids schools, but half of 18 % is still several times the % of income Biden + Obama gave.

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Those who have actually little or nothing to say, have to use a terminology like "Some say ..."

And you call yourself a "christian"?

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