Hello wingers:

If 72 year old John McCain held his country first, why would he choose a neophyte to be his running mate? I'll tell you why. Because she appeals to his base - not his country. He's doing this because he wants to win. That means ME FIRST, country second.

In fact, if you look real close, it might be God first, ME second, and country third.

No?

excon

Many have figured that out. Except for the blind voters of party politics.

Ah... no.

According to the polls, Palin seems to appeal to the majority of the country.

Current polls show McCain/Palin ahead of Obama/Biden by anywhere from 3 to 10 points. Real Clear Politics shows them ahead by an average of 3.2%.

USA Today/Gallup has McCain/Palin at 54% to Obama/Biden's 44%. This is the first time that any poll has had either candidate over 50%.

Rasmusen has McCain 1 point ahead. CNN has them at a tie.

Palin is definitely picking up more than just the "party base". She's picking up the MAJORITY of the country.

Besides, this is a silly argument, and you know it. Every candidate wants what's best for his/her country, but what they consider best for their country is generally the policies that they agree with, which also coincides with what their base agrees with.

To put it back to you, using your own theory, Obama, who claims to be "as patriotic as McCain" and who also claims to put his country first, chose BIDEN... the third most liberal man in the Senate as his running mate? Isn't that pandering to the liberal base of the Democrats? How does that put his COUNTRY first? How does that evidence patriotism?

Like I said, it's a silly argument, and I think you know it.

Elliot

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the third most liberal man in the Senate as his running mate? Isn't that pandering to the liberal base of the Democrats? How does that put his COUNTRY first? How does that evidence patriotism?

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Hello again, El:

You guys seem to think that conservative = patriotism, while liberalism = traitor.

You're wrong on THAT, just as you are WRONG on Sarah Palin. To suggest that you guys have a corner on patriotism, is why you're going to lose. In fact, THAT idea is such an anathema to America, it suggests to me, that it's YOUR patriotism that is subject to questioning - NOT liberals. It's a truly offensive sentiment - even hateful.

excon

Being a liberal in indeed taking care of your country and its citizens. As opposed to warmongering in foreign nations.

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Hello again, El:

You guys seem to think that conservative = patriotism, while liberalism = traitor.

You're wrong on THAT, just as you are WRONG on Sarah Palin. To suggest that you guys have a corner on patriotism, is why you're going to lose. In fact, THAT idea is such an anathema to America, it suggests to me, that it's YOUR patriotism that is subject to questioning - NOT liberals. It's a truly offensive sentiment - even hateful.

excon

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I have never questioned Obama's patriotism. Just his stances on the issues and his lack of experience. WHat I pointed out above is just how silly it is to say that because the candidate picked someone liked by the base, it must mean that he doesn't put his country first.

Oh, and what happens when we win. What does that say about your theory about who sees who as patriots?

I seem to remember you making the same argument regarding Kerry and Bush... that questioning Kerry's patriotism is why Bush was going to lose. (I can can go back to AW and look up the exact quotes by you if you'd like. Pretty much any conversation about the swiftboat vets will have you making this exact argument again and again.) Didn't quite work out that way, did it. I think you need a new argument, bro. This particular one has never proven out for you.

Elliot

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Being a liberal in indeed taking care of your country and its citizens. As opposed to warmongering in foreign nations.

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You mean like how Clinton bombed Iraq and Kosovo? Liberal like that?

Or do you mean conservative like Bush who has spent more on environmentalism and alternative fuel research than any other president in history... is that the warmongering you speak of?

Doncha hate it when the facts screw up a perfectly good bias?

Elliot

Y'know the two sides have always done a little of both. They are not really that far apart apart. US conservatives and liberal politicians will never make sweeping changes, the corporations that own your country won't let it happen. I'm not sure how you justify the other side as always being wrong and evil. I guess you're comfortable feeling that you are always correct.

Whoa now, I have never thought that “conservative = patriotism, while liberalism = traitor.” It’s more like “liberalism=hypocrisy.” :D

As for being a liberal meaning “taking care of your country and its citizens” you’re right, NK. That’s exactly what liberals want to do, take care of EVERYTHING. They want us all dependent on the government for all of our needs. They want to determine how to run our businesses, what to eat, what to think, how much air to put in our tires, what kind of health care we can have, where to send our kids to school, how to raise our children, how much money we can have, and on and on and on. No thanks, especially coming from a bunch of intolerant blowhards preaching tolerance and diversity.

As to your proposition, ex, who’s been more selfless, more sacrificing and less self-absorbed in their journey to this point? The guy that spent brutal years as a POW, adopted an abandoned Bangladeshi baby, bucked his own party numerous times, spent virtually his entire adult life serving his country – or the guy who has accomplished little more than writing two books about himself and running for president during his career as an elected official?

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Whoa now, I have never thought that “conservative = patriotism, while liberalism = traitor.” It’s more like “liberalism=hypocrisy.” :D

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Hello Steve:

You, and Dennis (where ever he is), are still a little left of Attila the Hun. So, of course, you're a reasonable fellow...

But, you HAVE heard the above sentiment if you're paying attention.

excon

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It’s more like “liberalism=hypocrisy.”

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Let me know if you want to repost those videos that prove the opposite.

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Hello Steve:

You, and Dennis (where ever he is), are still a little left of Attila the Hun. So, of course, you're a reasonable fellow...

But, you HAVE heard the above sentiment if you're paying attention.

excon

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LOL, at least I'm still a little left of Attila the Hun.

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LOL, at least I'm still a little left of Attila the Hun.

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I'm not...

"A young person who isn't liberal has no heart.
An older person who isn't a conservative has no brains."

Me... I never had a heart. It just gets in the way of analysis, logic and good decision-making.

Also: "A liberal is just a conservative who hasn't been mugged or raped yet."

I've been mugged (or at least attempts were made... the guys who tried were less than satisfied with the outcome). I don't generally believe in the "good hearts" or "general goodness" of criminals, murderers and terrorists. So I can't be a liberal.

Not sure why Sarah is a neophyte in your eyes...

But I know her... all I can say is that she is a good woman and has been a good leader in our state.

Now all this controversy that has come up (which lets face it really isn't all that controversial since half the nations kids are having sex behind their parents back and OOPS some of them get pregnant)... has shed light on "private family matters".

And most of you have either been in the same boat or known someone who has... but what I see is that Sarah is standing behind what she "preaches" even though her daughter didn't follow parental guidance...

EVERYONE GASP... this is the first time in history a kid hasn't listened to a parent.

BTW I have no affiliation with either party...

I vote for Pedrohttp://oranchak.com/wp-content/uploa...-for-pedro.jpg

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Let me know if you want to repost those videos that prove the opposite.

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You have absolutely no sense of humor, do you... other than when someone is skewering a conservative if course? No need to repost anything but if need be I can post examples all day.

Hello again, AK:

I think she's a wonderful mom and a good person. I loved her speech, and like the rest of the country, I'm really taken with her, too.

But, she doesn't have the chops to run the good ole US of A. That's just so.

Now, it's TRUE, Obama doesn't have a lot of chops either. I'm not arguing about him, though. I'm arguing about John McCain. I think HE should have chosen a person who could step in without losing a beat. He IS 72, the oldest president to be inaugurated if he gets that far. And, he DOES have a propensity for skin cancer.

Given the above, I question his judgment.

excon

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But, she doesn't have the chops to run the good ole US of A. That's just so.

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Why? On what basis do you make that conclusion?

And what makes Obama or Biden more qualified to lead than Palin? Personally, she's got more executive experience than McCain. I'd actually prefer her at the TOP of the ticket. Why do you say she doesn't have the chops to lead? She already does, and has done so for 2 years. It's just a matter of leading a larger group. The equation doesn't change, just the number of zeros at the end of the number.

Elliot

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Why? On what basis do you make that conclusion?

And what makes Obama or Biden more qualified to lead than Palin? Personally, she's got more executive experience than McCain.

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Hello again, El:

Executive, schmezecutive. She don't know where El Salvador is, nor anyplace else for that matter. Nuff said!!

Read above. I DON'T think Obama is more any more qualified to lead than Palin. So, THAT is your excuse for McCain's very bad choice - because Obama isn't qualified?? Really?? The Democrats made a very bad decision, so we're going to make a worse one?? You guys HAVE lost it, haven't you?

excon

I say we have a presidential lottery and citizens of the US get drawn for Presidential duty every 6 months...

Wonder how screwed up we could make the nation... LOL

I'm one of those rednecks that Obama despises, you know, holding on to God, Bible, and guns. I love Palin because she is smart, aggressive, and she stands for the same values that I hold. She can represent me because she is one of the middle class working people, and thart is rare indeed in Washington. I sure can't say that about Obama! And just how long do you think it will take her to gain the additional experience you think she needs? Maybe I'm wrong, but I bet she is a quick study!