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  • Sep 4, 2008, 02:04 PM
    Galveston1
    Was Mary, the mother of Jesus, a Pentecostal?
    How would you answer this question?
  • Sep 4, 2008, 03:11 PM
    450donn
    Mary the mother of Jesus was a Jew. Born a Jew, died a Jew.
  • Sep 4, 2008, 03:16 PM
    wildandblue
    There is no mention of her in the Bible ever becoming a Christian, nor Jesus' father Joseph, who was apparently already deceased before Jesus himself was crucified. However Jesus' brothers Jude and James became followers of Christianity
  • Sep 4, 2008, 04:05 PM
    Choux
    She was Jewish; Jesus was Jewish... they lived in a Jewish culture governed by Rome.

    Paul(a Jewish student of Greek culture) founded the religion now called Christianity years after "Jesus-a Greek word" died. "Jesus" had no intention of founding a new religion; he wanted to drastically reform Judaism(thats why the Jewish leaders wanted Rome to kill him)
  • Sep 4, 2008, 04:31 PM
    cogs
    I don't think jesus even cared about advancing the jewish religion, because he spoke of a new covenant, that of the holy spirit within a person, teaching him his sins, and changing him from within. Jesus often focused on the spiritual, as opposed to worldly physical rites. As far as mary being a pentecostal, maybe she played pente, or had five fingers, but it was on pentecost that the believers met and spoke in other 'tongues'. If this is what you mean, then yes, the bible plainly states this.
  • Sep 4, 2008, 05:31 PM
    Choux
    The Book of Acts is a proven forgery according to Biblical Scholars.

    It has to be ruled out when studying the real teachings and story of "Jesus".
  • Sep 4, 2008, 06:26 PM
    cogs
    Wow. That's hard to swollow. Can you back that up?
  • Sep 5, 2008, 03:42 AM
    RickJ
    I'll 3rd it. There are no reputable scholars who suggest, let alone offer "proof", that Acts is a forgery.
  • Sep 5, 2008, 07:35 AM
    De Maria
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1
    How would you answer this question?

    Define Pentecostal? If you mean that she was spirit filled, then yes, she was spirit filled.

    But no, she is not a member of the Pentecostal Church. That didn't come into being until the 1900's.

    Mary the mother of Jesus was the first true Christian upon whom we must all model our faith.

    Jesus said that we must love God with all our heart, mind and soul. Life tells us that a mothers love for her children is the greatest love known to man.

    Mary loved Jesus with the greatest love known to man. Therefore, Mary loved God with the greatest love known to man.

    Sincerely,

    De Maria
  • Sep 5, 2008, 09:53 AM
    Galveston1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by De Maria
    Define Pentecostal? If you mean that she was spirit filled, then yes, she was spirit filled.

    But no, she is not a member of the Pentecostal Church. That didn't come into being until the 1900's.

    Mary the mother of Jesus was the first true Christian upon whom we must all model our faith.

    Jesus said that we must love God with all our heart, mind and soul. Life tells us that a mothers love for her children is the greatest love known to man.

    Mary loved Jesus with the greatest love known to man. Therefore, Mary loved God with the greatest love known to man.

    Sincerely,

    De Maria

    I used "Pentecostal" in the generic sense, which seems to be understood by those answering.
  • Sep 5, 2008, 10:45 AM
    Choux
    Rick, You are incorrect.
  • Sep 7, 2008, 01:46 PM
    BlakeCory
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Choux
    Rick, You are incorrect.

    The identity of the author is debated, most agree the author was a Greek Gentile writing to Gentile Christians. There is evidence to indicate that the author of The Gospel of Luke also wrote the Book of Acts.

    The most direct evidence comes from the prefaces of each book. Both prefaces are addressed to Theophilus, the author's patron and perhaps a label for a Christian community as a whole as the name means "Lover of God". The preface of Acts explicitly references "my former book" about the life of Jesus almost certainly the work we know as The Gospel of Luke.

    Also there are linguistic and theological similarities between the Luke and Acts. As one scholar writes,"the extensive linguistic and theological agreements and cross-references between the Gospel of Luke and the Acts indicate that both works derive from the same author" Because of their common authorship, the Gospel of Luke and Acts of the Apostles are often jointly referred to simply as Luke-Acts.

    Similarly, the author of Luke-Acts is often known as "Luke" even among scholars who doubt that the author was actually named Luke.
  • Sep 7, 2008, 03:09 PM
    JoeT777
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BlakeCory
    The identity of the author is debated, most agree the author was a Greek Gentile writing to Gentile Christians. There is evidence to indicate that the author of The Gospel of Luke also wrote the Book of Acts.

    The most direct evidence comes from the prefaces of each book. Both prefaces are addressed to Theophilus, the author's patron and perhaps a label for a Christian community as a whole as the name means "Lover of God". The preface of Acts explicitly references "my former book" about the life of Jesus almost certainly the work we know as The Gospel of Luke.

    Also there are linguistic and theological similarities between the Luke and Acts. As one scholar writes,"the extensive linguistic and theological agreements and cross-references between the Gospel of Luke and the Acts indicate that both works derive from the same author" Because of their common authorship, the Gospel of Luke and Acts of the Apostles are often jointly referred to simply as Luke-Acts.

    Similarly, the author of Luke-Acts is often known as "Luke" even among scholars who doubt that the author was actually named Luke.

    This link may be of interest; a scholarly and traditional Catholic view of Luke.

    JoeT
  • Sep 9, 2008, 03:58 PM
    Galveston1
    You guys sure derailed this in a hurry. If Mary needed to be filled with the Holy Ghost, don't you think it might be good for us to do the same? She spoke with unlearned languages when she was filled, and so does everyone else who is filled with the Holy Ghost. Not only was Mary "Pentecostal", but all the first Church was also. "Pentecost" is an experience, not a denomination.
  • Sep 10, 2008, 12:04 AM
    chiradeep
    She was not a member pentesotal church.
  • Sep 10, 2008, 04:36 PM
    cogs
    Choux, how can you keep making a claim without any reference?
  • Sep 12, 2008, 09:31 AM
    gromitt82
    The Mother of Jesus was a Jewess. Her parents were Jews and all of Her ancestors.
    Jesus Christ as a man was also a jew, as well as His putative father, St. Joseph, whose line of ascentry goes all the way to King David. Mary could not have been a Christian because Christianity was founded by Jesus Christ. Christians were, consequently, those who followed Jesus' Gospels and teachings AFTER He died in the Cross.
  • Sep 13, 2008, 11:07 AM
    Galveston1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gromitt82
    The Mother of Jesus was a Jewess. Her parents were Jews and all of Her ancestors.
    Jesus Christ as a man was also a jew, as well as His putative father, St. Joseph, whose line of ascentry goes all the way to King David. Mary could not have been a Christian because Christianity was founded by Jesus Christ. Christians were, consequently, those who followed Jesus' Gospels and teachings AFTER He died in the Cross.

    Mary, and Jesus' brothers, did EXACTLY that.
  • Sep 13, 2008, 01:37 PM
    sndbay
    The Virgin Mary was of the house of Levite, daughter of Aaron. Known as the Lords, and care takes of The House of God. The suppose father Joseph was of the House of David. Known as the Kings. Jesus was the begotten Son of God. In all three accounts Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords on earth, that does reigns in heaven on the right hand of God.
    Can anyone say the Levite priesthood was Jewish? The House of Judah was separate from the House of David. The Levite was under God's ordained calling.
  • Sep 14, 2008, 07:59 AM
    gromitt82
    Sndbay,
    According to the Encyclopeadia "In the Jewish tradition, a Levite (Hebrew: לֵוִי, Standard Levi Tiberian Lēwî ; "Attached") is a member of the Hebrew tribe of Levi. When Joshua led the Israelites into the land of Canaan, the Levites were the only Israelite tribe who received cities but no tribal land "because the Lord the God of Israel himself is their possession". The Tribe of Levi served particular religious duties for the Israelites and had political responsibilities as well. In return, the landed tribes were expected to give tithe to the Levites, particularly the tithe known as the Maaser Rishon or Levite Tithe."
    The House of Judah was indeed separated from the house of David. But both houses were Israelites. According to the Bible, the Israelites were the dominant group living in the Land of Israel from the time of the conquest of the territory by Joshua in c.1300 BCE until they were conquered by the Babylonians in c.586 BCE and taken into exile. They were divided in twelve tribes, each claiming descent from one of twelve sons and grandsons of Jacob. So I would say we can surely call them either Israelites or Jews.

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