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  • Aug 25, 2008, 05:16 PM
    kory
    Hot tub wiring 4 wire 3 wire
    I have a 4 wire hot tub and have it wired to my 4 wire 60 amp gfci box outside, and it then goes into my basement where there is no 4 wire service. Do I connect the ground and neutral to the same location in the basement? :confused:
  • Aug 25, 2008, 05:21 PM
    stanfortyman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kory
    and it then goes into my basement where there is no 4 wire service. do i connect the ground and neutral to the same location in the basement ??:confused:

    WHAT does this mean?

    If your tub requires a neutral (4-wire circuit) then you MUST have a 4-wire circuit. NO way around it.
  • Aug 25, 2008, 05:52 PM
    Washington1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kory
    i have a 4 wire hot tub and have it wired to my 4 wire 60 amp gfci box outside, and it then goes into my basement where there is no 4 wire service. do i connect the ground and neutral to the same location in the basement ??:confused:

    Kindof lost me as well? I'm going to assume you are asking do you terminate the grounding conductor, and neutral conductor on the same bar. The answer is no>>> if the wires are being terminated in a non-service rated panel. If the conductors are going to a sub-panel (non-service rated panel) then you should float the neutral and bond the equipment ground bar to the panel enclosure.
  • Aug 25, 2008, 05:59 PM
    kory
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kory
    i have a 4 wire hot tub and have it wired to my 4 wire 60 amp gfci box outside, and it then goes into my basement where there is no 4 wire service. do i connect the ground and neutral to the same location in the basement ??:confused:

    I need to connect my 4 wire HOT HOT NEUTRAL GROUND in my basement in a 50 amp 240volt box, but there is on 3 wire there , what do I do with the extra 1 wire ( neutral )?
  • Aug 25, 2008, 06:03 PM
    KISS
    Whoa guys.

    The main panel may have bare and white (Neutral) terminated to the same bar. This is fine.

    There must be 4 wires red, black, what and bare/green going outside.

    The post could mean anything: 4 wires MUST run from hot tub box to basemant. Can't tell that explicitly from the OP's post.
  • Aug 25, 2008, 06:10 PM
    kory
    So basically the ground and the neutral go to the same bar in the panel in the basement, the goes outside to my gfci box and the white goes to the neutral, the bare goes to ground and red and black go to the 2 hot terminals and so on though the tub.
  • Aug 25, 2008, 06:17 PM
    Washington1
    Quote:

    The main panel may have bare and white (Neutral) terminated to the same bar. This is fine.
    Where did this come from? Who said the OP was going to a main service rated panel?
  • Aug 25, 2008, 06:19 PM
    Washington1
    Quote:

    so basically the ground and the neutral go to the same bar in the panel in the basement,
    Yeah, if this is your main panel.

    Quote:

    the goes outside to my gfci box and the white goes to the neutral, the bare goes to ground and red and black go to the 2 hot terminals and so on though the tub.
    sounds good to me!
  • Aug 25, 2008, 06:22 PM
    Washington1
    Ok I see! I see what you mean Keep! The way it was written was confusing.
  • Aug 25, 2008, 06:25 PM
    KISS
    Yes, but there are exceptions. You should either see two separate isolated bars with whites attached to one and bares attached to the other or whites and bares attached to the same bar (expected).

    The red and black go to a double pole breaker in the main panel. White goes to where the whites are attached but not to breakers. Bares go to where bares are attached.
  • Aug 25, 2008, 06:31 PM
    kory
    I have a isolated neutral bar and a isolated ground bar in my gfci box outside along with the to hot connections. The same thing as in my hot tub control box. So I CAN connect the ground and neutral together in the breaker box in my basement? It is safe and correct?
  • Aug 25, 2008, 06:35 PM
    KISS
    Yes, that's correct. Everything (hot tub panel, hot tub) which is past the main disconnect (main panel in your case) remains separate.
  • Aug 25, 2008, 06:43 PM
    kory
    10/3 UF/B 4 wire

    BASEMENT BREAKER BOX: Ground and Neutral connected together at Ground Bar.
    Red and Black connect to the 2 hot spots.

    ::: Then I run the 4 wires outside to my GFCI 50 amp box

    OUTDOOR CFCI BOX: Connect white to isolated neutral Bare copper to isolated ground and red and black to 2 hot connections

    HOT TUB: Basically the same

    So this is corrrect? Thanks keepitsimplestupid
  • Aug 25, 2008, 07:09 PM
    Washington1
    Quote:

    10/3 UF/B 4 wire
    The #10 is too small, if this is a hot tub.

    Kory, I hate to say this, but you may want to get some help! You are scaring me! There's much more to this install then you know. Example: You may have to run your conductors in conduit, because the manfacture may require a full sized EGC (EGC= equipment grounding conductor).
  • Aug 25, 2008, 07:28 PM
    Washington1
    Just trying to help!
  • Aug 25, 2008, 07:45 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    Kory, you are not allowing emails so I am posting this here, most of your posts have been delted for various reasons, Please do not post insuting posts.

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