Ask Me Help Desk - Would you rather stay a sheep or fight.

Im just here to ask a simple question. If there was an outbreak of revolution in the united states would any of you support the revolution and why. If not then why not. If you have no idea I suggest you do some research on the fact that bush stole 4.2 trillion dollars from the people, had the posse comma tattus act(please forgive my spelling) repealed. The act made it so that the united states could not use its own military to police its own people. Also, bush has recently passed legislation that allows him to bypass congress and the senate, he also passed PDD-51 that makes it so that if there is a terror attack on us soil, all executive officials stay in office. Also Research the bill HR 2755. This bill is to abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes. This would end elitist control of the banks which in turn allows them to control the government. Stop relying on t.v as your primary source of information, ask questions, never settle for what the government or elites give you as an answer because most likely its bull. The bush administration has butchered the constitution and we let them because we were scared. Well now that all of our constitutional rights have been taken away or infringed upon I'm finally waking up to see the lies. The patriot act, designed to take the power away from the true patriots. To listen to what good people that are not TERRORISTS but instead PATRIOTS are saying on their phones. Well as far as I'm concerned if you would put your government above your fellow american then you are a not a terrorist but a coward. True patriots do now support the government 100% they support the american people 100%. Its time to wake up people, you have a choice that only you can make. Listen to the truth and wake up, or stay asleep and go back to living your lie.

O yeah one more thing, the water you consume every day has sodium fluoride. A TOXIN that has been known to drop the average persons iq up to 20% in a lifetime. It also causes add adhd among a whole lot of other problems that outweigh the benefits of fluoride. Also, mercury is used as a preservative in vaccines and is know to cause autism among other mental disorders. Why do you think the education system in one of the richest countries in the world is so horrible. Also, why are we still at war even though we have know it was started with lies. This is because the mainstream media is put in place to keep people from thinking too hard, to keep them entertained and unquestioning. It fills us with self doubt and self hate so that we are always relying on the elite in some shape or another.

I can feel it coming but I can't blame Bush. Bush is just one of the puppets of the bigger picture. Most of the politicians in the past two or three decades have been leading us to this point and WHOEVER is next President is going to even more.
I have been saying for years we are no longer a government by the people and for the people. Most people don't see it though. They say they still have their freedoms so what is the problem. Most people are too comfortable to look around and see what is really going on.
I have told people about fluoride for years and they say it is good for bones.
Youtube has a lot of videos on it but people would rather buy all the propaganda and follow the lies.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

I can feel it coming but I can't blame Bush. Bush is just one of the puppets of the bigger picture. Most of the politicians in the past two or three decades have been leading us to this point and WHOEVER is next President is going to even more.
I have been saying for years we are no longer a government by the people and for the people. Most people don't see it though. They say they still have their freedoms so what is the problem. Most people are too comfortable to look around and see what is really going on.
I have told people about fluoride for years and they say it is good for bones.
Youtube has a lot of videos on it but people would rather buy all the propaganda and follow the lies.

Exactly, I didn't tell people about bush being part of a bigger agenda, they can research themselves it will help them break the sleep their in to research and discover on their own. We need to start to be unrelenting about trying to wake people from the lies. Nafta and the nau are just another puzzle piece...

And peoples ignorance is one of the biggest pieces of the puzzle they have and we need to burn that piece...

Problem is when you focus on Bush people pass it off as just another goofy Bush hater and don't care to hear or listen to more. People don't want to hear more they just think crazy conspiracy theorists!
They say our freedoms are not being taken away because THEY can still go to work, come home, go to Wal Mart, smoke in their houses, bar b que in their back yard, go to restaurants, etc... They have no idea!

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

Problem is when you focus on Bush people pass it off as just another goofy Bush hater and don't care to hear or listen to more. people don't want to hear more they just think crazy conspiracy theorists!
They say our freedoms are not being taken away because THEY can still go to work, come home, go to Wal Mart, smoke in their houses, bar b que in their back yard, go to restaurants, etc......They have no idea!

They don't realize that its freedoms that they have to protect themselves like the right to bear arms because the mainstream media hides all that...
Well at least I'm awake and so are you...

I am sorry you have beleved too much of the hate and mis information about Bush and our Government, so much of what you think is happening were in place long before, Even issues with Linclon down from the early time of our nation.

If there was a real reason to revolt against the government, that is one thing, but at current no I would defend to the death my nation , county and government.

But it is actually not Bush but the democrats that wish to take your guns away, I am afraid you are totally incorrect in for too much of your thinking,

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

I am sorry you have beleved too much of the hate and mis information about Bush and our Government, so much of what you think is happening were in place long before, Even issues with Linclon down from the early time of our nation.

If there was a real reason to revolt against the government, that is one thing, but at current no I would defend to the death my nation , county and government.

But it is actually not Bush but the democrats that wish to take your guns away, I am afraid you are totally incorrect in for too much of your thinking,

Actually it is not the bush administration that I'm talking about here it is much larger than the government (the puppet government more like it).

Well? No one seems to be answering this question. Is this because the extent of the answer is not the truth that we wish to hear and hence many rather stay quiet?

As a decorated war veteran of the US Military, and 50% service connected disablity as of 2007, I would have no problem joining or even leading in such a cause.

Could it become a reality?

http://www.americanrevolution2.com

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Originally Posted by caliwebman

Well? No one seems to be answering this question. Is this because the extent of the answer is not the truth that we wish to hear and hence many rather stay quiet?

As a decorated war veteran of the US Military, and 50% service connected disablity as of 2007, I would have no problem joining or even leading in such a cause.

Could it become a reality?

WE THE PEOPLE AND THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION 2 - Second Revolution of the United States of America

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THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT...
Frier chuckj or whatever is just an idiot to believe that the people we give our power to wouldn't try to hurt us or anything...
He doesn't understand how the banking system really works...
Owell, thanks

One reason you may not be getting a lot of responses to your question is that anyone with half a brain is going to be cautious about stating in a public forum that they would join in any revolution against the government.

Secondly, it's easy to say "oh yeah, I'd fight" when in fact, most don't know exactly how they would react with actually having to make that decision.

The best thing you can do is to prepare as though there will be unheaval and hope that there's not.

I have no problem in stating that I would indeed join in the retaking of our Country from a government gone out of control.

If you've read many of my other points, you will know that I would shout such support from the highest mountain.

I do believe, if Obama gets half of his agenda to pass, there WILL be another American Revolution.

Just sit back and watch.

Just more sour grapes from malcontents who didn't get their way. Not worth spending time on.

Here's the thing:

Whether I or anyone else would fight in some hypothetical revolution is irrelevant.

What is more relevant is the fact that people are now finally beginning to wake up to the damage done by our elected officials. We elect them and then turn them loose, assuming that they have our best interests at heart. Why? Because they said so, and someone that powerful wouldn't lie, would they?

When we--as a nation--stop simply electing them and then ignoring them, then we'll see the changes made. How many people actually pay attention to how their representative votes, or who he/she makes deals with, or as in the case of a certain senator, if they even vote yea or nay on any issue?

There's a revolution coming--you got that part right. But I believe it will be an intellectual revolution, with the citizens finally beginning to hold their leaders accountable for their promises, their actions, and especially their failures.

When things get to the point that they have, that We The People quit paying attention to those who effectively rule our lives, then we get what we ask for. When we elect people to "take care of us," then that's what we get, and we lose the right to complain if we've done nothing to hold these folks accountable.

I think you have missed the point that the revolution has been going on for a long time, during which a REPUBLIC has been progressively changed, small step by step into a Democracy, on the way to a SOCIALIST state.

Early in this country you could only vote if you owned real property. The idea being that if you owned part of the country you should have a voice in how is is run. It has degenerated now to the place that those who live on the public dole are outvoting those who own property and produce jobs and services.

Consequently, the have nots always vote for whoever promises them the biggest hand-out.

Financially, for a hundred years (or more?) we have PAID private banking institutions to print and put money into circulation, contrary to the Constitution. Of course, you can buy stock in these institutions, but the problem is that the taxpayer owes INTEREST on every dollar put into circulation. If the government did what the Constitution calls for, that would be a HUGE debt that we would not owe.

A heavy, progressive income tax was first proposed for this country by KARL MARX. This is more for the purpose of control of the citizens than for raising revenue.

These are just a couple of examples, and these happened MANY years ago. The problem is that we are accelerating our pace in that direction, and with the federal government in control of education, it is going to be difficult to educate enough of the coming generation to understand what is going on. I think our best hope right now is the home school movement, but Obama could move to stop that if he and his flunkies think it is going to be a problem for them down the road.

We do need real change, but I strongly favor non-violent measures.

We just have a lot to realize. We cannot even call ourselves a civilized society.

Only when there is no war, no hunger, no religion, no monetary system will we be on the road to actual civilization.

I know that sounds dramatic but it's absolutely true. War is immature. Sure you can coat all of the fancy contexts on it you want, but it's ridiculous to physically fight each other to get what we want. We have the resources today to end hunger, but we choose not to to revel selfishly in our own wealth. Religion is a product of purely cultural means to control the masses and to explain mysteries before we had science to explain them. The monetary system is completely irrational; the paper, the coins, come out of essentially thin air. Every dollar in circulation is attached to a debt that can never be paid off. The Federal Reserve controls the government. We only create money in times of scarcity, but we have the technology and resources today that we no longer need that system.

If you look at it all, our entire world and societies, we all look like a bunch of whining, selfish, ungrateful, confrontational adolescents. Someday in the future people will look back and gawk at how primitive we are now; not so much in technology as in how we treat each other and perceive our world.

:rolleyes:

Hey xxariesxx, have you ever even been out of the USA if indeed you call the USA your home? And if you have, can you elaborate on the places you may have experienced? I don't care for assumptions, they're usually always wrong, that is, unless you are one with the depths of your own inner latent miracle powers. Those still in the barbaric dark ages I believe refer to this as "Instinct." Anyhow, I am going to bet you xxariesxx, that you have very little, if any experience in true real world issues. For instance, have you ever walked the midnight streets of a communist county prior to the fall of the wall? Have you ever assumed the position of becoming the "local" in a country like Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Jordan? Have you witnessed young girls prior to puberty talk of having had parts of their vaginal pleasure points ripped right out of themselves and without a local or any pain relief? You haven't likely either been to a country whereby the once small, proud and lone, group of lucky Olympians for the small country return home without a medal to only find that each of them are tortured until near death, and then murdered. Have you?

You see, I have some issues with a large part of the American Populous. Much like it has been mentioned in this thread, for when we back off and look at the big picture, we see the truth to the matter that amongst this country are a whole lot of whining, thankless, un-accountable, non-initiative taking, "can't pack their own luggage" types, who rarely if ever get out of the USA and yet think they are not only "THE " but also circulate around false logic based cycles that go something like, Sin, Repent, Forgiven, Sin, Repent, Forgiven, Sin, Repent, Forgiven, Sin, Repent, Forgiven, Sin, Repent, Forgiven, Sin, Repent, Forgiven. What a joke.

xxariesxx, before you comment back to me at least give this decorated patriot the time of reading what is likely his best writing to date: WHY IS THE WORLD COLLAPSING? | News | Revolution Network

Let us make one thing very clear: I DON'T CONDONE WAR. I despise war in fact.

Let me share with all of you a story of recent, that took much intel, eval and psy-op thinking in order to find the truth of the matter:

I have many fellow brothers in arms from past, present and even future war and conflict whom many of which are closer to me than any of the 6 family members I have. During the past few years I have compiled analytics on various elements of action and non- action that have taken place within and outside of our great nation, historical elements included such as 911 and the details surrounding 911, the secret societies, the elitist bloodlines, the political tree of spoil, the varying theological sacred texts, their predictions, the Mayan calendar, the year 2012, Major Ed Dames work out of the Pentagon and more. In doing so I was able to eventually compile a pretty solid and firm presentation of materials but through the time I was collecting such Intel I kept running across a re-occurring theme. A few in fact. The themes painted a picture that suggested things that would have just years earlier been so far fetched, statements and supportive senior leadership stating that while our government was not likely behind 911, members within our government were "in the know" and simply turned a cheek... elements of anomalies showing us what dastardly deeds some of our corrupt congress pulled on a winters XMAS eve way back in 1913 and the such... and so, as I was compiling the various elements that depicted our country and well being as if it were in a downward spiral I began to notice a very precarious repeat in behavior from some of my closest military brethren. The repeat in behaviors that was occurring was that once a buddy of mine got to the true realization of what's been going on here with our great country THEY ALL REACTED IN A SIMILAR WAY. The first reaction from every one of my brothers in arks upon realization of this was of anger. Quickly following the anger was denial, and then a reaction of sorrow and even then another reaction of acceptance... these four emotions were present in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY BRO's reactions, and they REELED in all four... in no particular order, they would go angry, be sorrowful, accept it and then deny, and over and over without order.

Well when I saw this reaction occurring in about the 5th or so brother of mine, I was face to face with a long time friend and warrior US ARMY Ranger Davis, and I looked him in the eyes as he reeled through the four reactions and I said, "Bro, these emotions, they feel familiar do they not?" What is it I thought? Where have I seen this reactionary trend of emotional output occur before?? And then my Ranger bro said it, he said," Scott, these are the four emotions that everyone goes through upon losing a loved one, friend or family member., its the vital psy part of heeling." My eyes lit up and I ex claimed, "EXACTLY!"

And then my Ranger bro asked me, "But bro, it inst as if we lost anyone, a family member, a unit soldier, a buddy, sister or mom, what is it?"

AND THEN IT DAWNED ON ME, AS TO WHY EVERY SINGLE WARRIOR THAT I KNEW PRODUCED THE SAME REALIZATION RESULT OF EMOTIONAL BEARING. IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE HAD LOST A FRIEND, A WAR BRO, OR FAMILY MEMBER, NOOOOO...

THIS WAS OCCURRING BECAUSE EACH OF MY BROTHERS IN ARMS THAT HAS FOUGHT FOR YOUR FREE-WILL, FREEDOM AND PRIVACY, INCLUDING MYSELF, had realized the Death of Our Nation!!

It is time you all begin to realize the facts.

S. Bruno
US ARMY 1AD
Service Connected Disabled War Veteran (2007)

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Originally Posted by xxariesxx

We just have a lot to realize. We cannot even call ourselves a civilized society.

Only when there is no war, no hunger, no religion, no monetary system will we be on the road to actual civilization.

I know that sounds dramatic but it's absolutely true. War is immature. Sure you can coat all of the fancy contexts on it you want, but it's ridiculous to physically fight each other to get what we want. We have the resources today to end hunger, but we choose not to to revel selfishly in our own wealth. Religion is a product of purely cultural means to control the masses and to explain mysteries before we had science to explain them. The monetary system is completely irrational; the paper, the coins, come out of essentially thin air. Every dollar in circulation is attached to a debt that can never be paid off. The Federal Reserve controls the government. We only create money in times of scarcity, but we have the technology and resources today that we no longer need that system.

If you look at it all, our entire world and societies, we all look like a bunch of whining, selfish, ungrateful, confrontational adolescents. Someday in the future people will look back and gawk at how primitive we are now; not so much in technology as in how we treat each other and perceive our world.

Ironic, talking in the way you do could be interperted as treason, yet the ability to say the things you do is the freedom that america was built on..

I think the major reason most people don't care about what happens in Washington is because they are unaffected by it. Bush hasn't withdrawn money directly from my bank account, and I can go to the local store and purchase a gun today if I wanted to. You can make a post like this one, with no fear of being imprisoned or killed because we have freedoms of speech.
If the so called puppet government ever attempted to act in a way that directly effects the common people of this country, such as take away our guns, or turn off the internet so we couldn't post oppinions about the way our government is being run, then I think the people would rise up for their freedoms.

Not saying that everything in america is perfect, I believe there are many things that could be done more efficiently or could have a better impact on every person in this county, but I'm happy to be an american, and I am waiting for the day that I can put on a uniform and serve this great country as a member of the armed services.

Bush may have made some unfavorable acts as president, but as of right now, I don't forsee any particular reason to enter another civil war , one that again will put brother against brother, father against son, and could cripple everything we love about being an american.

Well I don't know what I did to offend you. Yes I have been out of the country, and I have read and learned about what you stated seeing, but I don't claim to have a lot of life experience nor did I ever.

I agree with a lot of what you stated in your post. I read your article as well, which was very interesting, and I agree with a lot of that as well and had known much about it before.
I did not mean to start an argument or to step on any toes. I was not attacking any particular country, or any particular group of people. I was only talking about humanity in general and what the future could hold, and in my and others opinions, what would need to happen to get to that "civilized" state.

So I apologize for any hurt feelings because that was not my intention. We only have our opinions based on our perceptions. I appreciate your post.

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

I think you have missed the point that the revolution has been going on for a long time, during which a REPUBLIC has been progressively changed, small step by step into a Democracy, on the way to a SOCIALIST state.

Early in this country you could only vote if you owned real property. The idea being that if you owned part of the country you should have a voice in how is is run. It has degenerated now to the place that those who live on the public dole are outvoting those who own property and produce jobs and services.

Consequently, the have nots always vote for whoever promises them the biggest hand-out.

Financially, for a hundred years (or more?) we have PAID private banking institutions to print and put money into circulation, contrary to the Constitution. Of course, you can buy stock in these institutions, but the problem is that the taxpayer owes INTEREST on every dollar put into circulation. If the government did what the Constitution calls for, that would be a HUGE debt that we would not owe.

A heavy, progressive income tax was first proposed for this country by KARL MARX. This is more for the purpose of control of the citizens than for raising revenue.

These are just a couple of examples, and these happend MANY years ago. The problem is that we are accelerating our pace in that direction, and with the federal government in control of education, it is going to be difficult to educate enough of the coming generation to understand what is going on. I think our best hope right now is the home school movement, but Obama could move to stop that if he and his flunkies think it is going to be a problem for them down the road.

We do need real change, but I strongly favor non-violent measures.

Well thank goodness you said that. I get the feeling that some of these posters can't wait to barricade their homes and start shooting. Names like pro-gun speak volumes.

What is the thinking? Who are you going to shoot? This problem solving method just blows me away. There are things in this country that could improve but any kind of violence is just so dumb. Why so eager to play war? Backward thinking, JMHO.