Hi,it all started when I was about 15,I woke to find a tall dark hooded figure stood over my bed my mam said I was dreaming but I definatley seen it,when I was about 27 I started to hear voices as though they were watching me,a round this time I would often leave my body when I was asleep I was totally aware that I wasn't in my body but my mind was awake this happens quite often I can now put my arm through the wall or kind of enter the mirror.I had periods of going high and would see things that were not supposed to be there,like a featurless pale green glowing figure at the top of the stairs one night there were no lights on for me to have been mistaken,I see things in the sky they are brighter than a star and move quickly across the sky definitely not an aeroplane,at first I couldn't handle the voices and ended up in hospital I kept sayn to the doctors that my music would keep going funny like repeating itself or not playn certain songs it was like something was tryn to communicate but they didn't believe me,when my nurse was round last week I put the music on and it did it so now he believes me he said it my need cleaning but this was a new cd player and cd,I once left my body and went to the mirror I was a blur of colouers I turned round an there were 3 men in the room 1 really old with a blanket round him 1 a little younger and 1 with dark glasses on we had a conversation but then I was alone again,any idea who they could have been I don't try to leave my body it just happens,I'm on medication to stop me going high but I still do sometimes I call it a spiritual high I'm not religious but when I'm high I come out with loads of religion,I have clear memories of events which haven't happened I think I need help but the doctors just say its an illness,I know what is real and what isn't,I don't know what to do.thanx for reading this I have gone a bit ott.

It isn't an illness and your doctors can't really do anything about it.
--UNLESS you are on psychiatric meds or do drugs--

You are having OBE, possible lucid dreams or visions and the hooded figure is some sort of spirit (possibly not a good spirit) OR it is shadow people.

I will post links to explain these

Do you do occult type things
Ouija board, séances,.

Hi, Saph.

Goodness, you've got a lot going on there. Yep, most doctors would call this an illness. They'd give you medication and maybe even lock you up. On the other hand, if we were living in J. K. Rowling's world, you definitely would have gotten the letter by owl when you were eleven. ;) If you happened to have been born into an indigenous tribe in, say, South Dakota, or the Amazon rainforest, or Central Australia, then the medicine workers of that tribe would have taken you off at an early age to train you in their art.

So who's right, the doctors who call it psychosis or the medicine workers who call it a gift for magick? Well, in a way, both. A lot of people have experiences like you described (although yours are wilder than most--you have a real powerful, and therefore dangerous, talent). Some of those people end up locked in insane asylums, others go on to become great leaders or healers. What's the difference? Very simple: A container. You need to have a container for what you are doing, so you do it safely. I don't mean this literally (although it wouldn't hurt to have some physical bowl or something that you can say to your brain, there, that's my container, that's how I keep my gift from going out of control).

It's what Xavier (Patrick Stewart) told Jean Grey in the recent X-men movie: Control the power, don't let it control you. You need to learn about your gifts, and understand them and what they mean. This is what I mean by "container." Here's a question to ask yourself: How successful are you in your personal life, work/school, relationships, that sort of thing? Because the mark of someone who is good at this stuff is that she is powerful in doing magick, but also powerful in living.

So here's the thing, if you are going to learn the art of operating in multiple levels of awareness, multiple dimensions of being, and doing so in a controlled and effective way, it comes down to how to learn it. You might see if there is a good New Age (for lack of a better word) bookshop near you. A lot of these are run by older women who are wise and good. They could help you find some resources, in book form or otherwise. And you can look around the internet. Lots of websites. Hopefully, you can find a mentor (on or off-line) who can give you more in-depth training.

There are some great teachers out there, but some lousy ones, too. Watch out that you don't become totally devoted to any one person or path. If you're anywhere near Oregon, I'd be happy to suggest some very good people I know. One guy I know who is just a delight to work with is David Lang. He does long-distance (e.g. on-line) work with people too. Check him out at his website, Urban Shamanism and Shamanic Healing with David Lang

Here are some pointers to help you find people who will be a benefit to you, rather than someone who will exploit you:

1. It's always your decision. It's your life, and you are the final authority. If you don't like what someone is saying, choose not to follow it.

2. Sample widely, from different sources and different cultural paths. Multiple points of view are what give you perspective. Take what you like, leave the rest.

3. Look for someone who shows deep honesty and kindness in every aspect of his or her life.

4. Look for someone who teaches you to fish, instead of giving you a fish. You want someone who will help you become more independent and in control of yourself, not someone who will make you more dependent and under his control.

5. Look for someone who has a sense of humor, and enjoys this work.

Best wishes, and by all means drop me a message if there is anything else you need and you think I might be able to help.

Blessings of Life and Light,

Alder

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

It isn't an illness and your drs can't really do anything about it.
--UNLESS you are on psychiatric meds or do drugs--

You are having OBE, possible lucid dreams or visions and the hooded figure is some sort of spirit (possibly not a good spirit) OR it is shadow people.

I will post links to explain these

Do you do occult type things
ouija board, seances,......?

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HI I'm not sure how to reply so hope you get this,I do do ouija boards sometimes on my own but I have never had any real evidence that someone was there,what is shadow people,my friend stayed at my house awhile after id seen hooded figure I hadn't told her about seeing it and the next day she asked if I was dressed up during the night tryn to scare her but she was half asleep they are the only 2 times I've known it to be there I didn't get a bad vibe from it.Thanx for your advice I don't tell many people about my strange going ons as they wouldn't believe me,I used to say to the doctors if I was crazy I wouldn't know id think it was everyone else but I know it sounds crazy.

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Hi, Saph.

Goodness, you've got a lot going on there. Yep, most doctors would call this an illness. They'd give you medication and maybe even lock you up. On the other hand, if we were living in J. K. Rowling's world, you definitely would have gotten the letter by owl when you were eleven. ;) If you happened to have been born into an indigenous tribe in, say, South Dakota, or the Amazon rainforest, or Central Australia, then the medicine workers of that tribe would have taken you off at an early age to train you in their art.

So who's right, the doctors who call it psychosis or the medicine workers who call it a gift for magick? Well, in a way, both. A lot of people have experiences like you described (although yours are wilder than most--you have a real powerful, and therefore dangerous, talent). Some of those people end up locked in insane asylums, others go on to become great leaders or healers. What's the difference? Very simple: A container. You need to have a container for what you are doing, so you do it safely. I don't mean this literally (although it wouldn't hurt to have some physical bowl or something that you can say to your brain, there, that's my container, that's how I keep my gift from going out of control).

It's what Xavier (Patrick Stewart) told Jean Grey in the recent X-men movie: Control the power, don't let it control you. You need to learn about your gifts, and understand them and what they mean. This is what I mean by "container." Here's a question to ask yourself: How successful are you in your personal life, work/school, relationships, that sort of thing? Because the mark of someone who is good at this stuff is that she is powerful in doing magick, but also powerful in living.

So here's the thing, if you are going to learn the art of operating in multiple levels of awareness, multiple dimensions of being, and doing so in a controlled and effective way, it comes down to how to learn it. You might see if there is a good New Age (for lack of a better word) bookshop near you. A lot of these are run by older women who are wise and good. They could help you find some resources, in book form or otherwise. And you can look around the internet. Lots of websites. Hopefully, you can find a mentor (on or off-line) who can give you more in-depth training.

There are some great teachers out there, but some lousy ones, too. Watch out that you don't become totally devoted to any one person or path. If you're anywhere near Oregon, I'd be happy to suggest some very good people I know. One guy I know who is just a delight to work with is David Lang. He does long-distance (e.g. on-line) work with people too. Check him out at his website, Urban Shamanism and Shamanic Healing with David Lang

Here are some pointers to help you find people who will be a benefit to you, rather than someone who will exploit you:

1. It's always your decision. It's your life, and you are the final authority. If you don't like what someone is saying, choose not to follow it.

2. Sample widely, from different sources and different cultural paths. Multiple points of view are what give you perspective. Take what you like, leave the rest.

3. Look for someone who shows deep honesty and kindness in every aspect of his or her life.

4. Look for someone who teaches you to fish, instead of giving you a fish. You want someone who will help you become more independent and in control of yourself, not someone who will make you more dependent and under his control.

5. Look for someone who has a sense of humor, and enjoys this work.

Best wishes, and by all means drop me a message if there is anything else you need and you think I might be able to help.

Blessings of Life and Light,

Alder

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hi thanks for your advice,I'm not sure how to reply so I hope you get this,its nice to have someone believe me,I don't tell many people as they think I'm crazy,I don't have any control over the obe it just happens sometimes everythings as it should be and others must be lucid,the strangest one I've had I was laid on the bed and I was at the same time talking to another me she said she was from the other side what ever that meant,I have a memory of being on a half circle shaped craft in the ocean the sides opened up to make it float they were closed up and myself and a few other people were inside with containers of dna samples everyone outside were drowing and I didn't want to leave them but a man said we had to go and we would meet them again in the future,then we lifted into the sky,I believe it was meant to be noahs arc but a space craft I must have dreamed it but it is more like a memory,I could go on for ever with these strange things that have happened but I know it sounds that unreal people will think I'm making it up,I live in england and I wouldn't know who to turn to for help but maybe now I proved the music thing to my nurse they might start listening to me;) I know I must sound crazy at times but I honestly just tell it how it is.Thanks

Okay you play with ouija boards this is what is going on

Ouija: Not a Game

In the book The Ouija Board: A Doorway to the Occult, author Edmond C. Gruss quotes Holzer as saying, “Those who wish to use the Ouija board as a parlor game I advise to think twice. There is always the possibility – rare, I admit, but conceivable – that one of those playing the board is a genuine trance medium without realizing it. In such a case, the board can become an easy entrance for a disincarnate person… who might next take over the personality of the medium and manifest under conditions where no controls are possible.”

It sounds like whatever it is, as Alder said it needs controlled, if you can not get it under control you may need to get somebody to do an exorcism AT your house.

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but maybe now i proved the music thing to my nurse they might start listening to me;)

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?? - Umm, your nurse? Are you in some kind of hospital? Although some doctors and psychologists might look at your experiences from an illness perspective, they still might be very helpful to you. If you have a choice of psychologists or therapists, and want one (or are being made to have one), you might want to look for someone who advertises as having a "transpersonal" or "holistic" approach to the business. Those folks might understand you a little better than people from a traditionalist perspective, like cognitive behavioralists or Freudian psychoanalists.

The dream or vision you described with the boat/spacecraft is very archetypal, very powerful. In Native American medicine, there is a canoe that is used to cross between the world of the living and that of the dead--similar to Charon's ferry with the ancient Greeks. Many medicine workers have a small canoe in their toolkit. The alternate self from the other side or psychic double is a part of many traditions, including British witchcraft. Part of empowerment is merging with that other self.

Britain, hmmm. Have you ever considered Hinduism? There are a lot of people from that tradition in parts of Britain, perhaps some good ashrams. They can teach you meditation and yoga and other ways to bring your body and spirit and everything into balance. If you do, just be careful in picking a guru--look for the things I mentioned, integrity, humor, all that stuff. Like any profession, there are good and bad gurus, just like good and bad shrinks. Some do exploit their disciples for money, sex, psychic power, etc.

Remember that your own personal conscience always trumps what someone else tells you. In the Russian fairy tale of Vasalisa the Beautiful (the original Cinderella), the only thing Vasalisa has from her departed mother is a little handmade doll that she keeps in her pocket, but the doll whispers to her and guides her through all her adventures. This is a metaphor for the inner voice of wisdom we all have. Whenever you meet any teacher, check in with that voice. If it's telling you to avoid the person, better listen.

May the Goddess guide you,

Alder

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????? - Umm, your nurse? Are you in some kind of hospital? Although some doctors and psychologists might look at your experiences from an illness perspective, they still might be very helpful to you. If you have a choice of psychologists or therapists, and want one (or are being made to have one), you might want to look for someone who advertises as having a "transpersonal" or "holistic" approach to the business. Those folks might understand you a little better than people from a traditionalist perspective, like cognitive behavioralists or Freudian psychoanalists.

The dream or vision you described with the boat/spacecraft is very archetypal, very powerful. In Native American medicine, there is a canoe that is used to cross between the world of the living and that of the dead--similar to Charon's ferry with the ancient Greeks. Many medicine workers have a small canoe in their toolkit. The alternate self from the other side or psychic double is a part of many traditions, including British witchcraft. Part of empowerment is merging with that other self.

Britain, hmmm. Have you ever considered Hinduism? There are a lot of people from that tradition in parts of Britain, perhaps some good ashrams. They can teach you meditation and yoga and other ways to bring your body and spirit and everything into balance. If you do, just be careful in picking a guru--look for the things I mentioned, integrity, humor, all that stuff. Like any profession, there are good and bad gurus, just like good and bad shrinks. Some do exploit their disciples for money, sex, psychic power, etc.

Remember that your own personal conscience always trumps what someone else tells you. In the Russian fairy tale of Vasalisa the Beautiful (the original Cinderella), the only thing Vasalisa has from her departed mother is a little handmade doll that she keeps in her pocket, but the doll whispers to her and guides her through all her adventures. This is a metaphor for the inner voice of wisdom we all have. Whenever you meet any teacher, check in with that voice. If it's telling you to avoid the person, better listen.

May the Goddess guide you,

Alder

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hi alder no I'm not in hospital but I was when I couldn't handle what was happening to me,I haven't been there for 5 year now but the nurse still calls in to see I'm all right, thanks for taking time to answer me I have another question for you I'm honestly not making this up I know it will sound hard to believe,but when id just moved into my old house in 1998 I pulled the cover back to get into bed and under the cover in the centre of the bed there was a gold ring a plain band it was quite worn,I asked the only 2 people that had been in my house if they had lost it,not that they had been upstairs in my bedroom and they hadn't,I haven't a clue where it came from,do you believe in spirits sending gifts the ring was made in 1960s according to hallmark,I really don't know where it could have come from.As for seeing a psychologist I used to see a man called pim draper,but he moved to eygpt I was hoping someone have a logical explanation to all this but I don't know if he helped or made me worse,he told me that he had seen the glowing figure that I had seen at the top of stairs and that he had the ability to enter peoples dreams,that he was very powerful and make things happen,he asked me if I knew who he really was and that he didn't tell many people he had to be careful who he trust,that this wasn't reality,I could go on,so there I was thinking well if this man here is a consultant psychologist and he's telling me he had seen the figure then I mustn't be mad,then I thought maybe he's mad,I was very confused,I have been diagnosed as having narcolepsy a sleep disorder that can cause hallucinations and obes but I don't think that's really what's happening,anyway thank for your time.

I have heard of that and pennies too. Also smell of flowers when no flowers are around or birds coming around.
Your narcolepsy could be a part of why you are more susceptible to the paranormal but I doubt it is the reason.

The ring showing up for you is pretty cool and pretty unusual. I've had some unusual items come into my life in unusual ways, too. It comes back to this: You don't know the source of the ring, so you don't know what kind of energy it might be carrying. Seems to me there was a series of movies by Peter Jackson with that theme... ;)

There are many traditions of spiritual wisdom in the world, from all different sorts of cultures. I still say your best bet is to find one path that works for you (but feel free to explore others, too, there's lots to be said for being eclectic). It's too hard to try to reinvent the wheel. Ideally, you will find a way to connect with a trusted spirit guide that you can turn to. It's very comforting to know that any time anything weird comes into my life I can just turn to my Fox (or my human mentor, for a second opinion) and say, OK, what am I supposed to do with this? And how can I handle it safely?

Keep up the good work!

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I have heard of that and pennies too. Also smell of flowers when no flowers are around or birds coming around.
Your narcolepsy could be a part of why you are more susceptible to the paranormal but I doubt it is the reason.

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HI, sorry didn't get back to you about the ouija board,I started doing them hoping to find answers,I don't get any bad vibes,well not in this house I moved in about a year ago,I haven't done one for awhile and if there was anyone there I think they tell lies at times,isn't life confusing?

Hi,do you believe in angels? I've been looking on net and an angel called shadolphon wears a black robe maybe it that's who the dark figure was next to my bed,I'm wishfull thinking here.

Sorry that was meant to be sandalphon

Dear Saphee , am 28 and a Muslim by religion. The things you have mentioned here. Are known and explained in islam in detail. Am not a priest or anything. But I do practise my religion and like to read about it. And so know about such stuff and details.. Spirits and demons yes they do exist and exist on same earth. They are also the creations of Allah (God), but mostly they keep to themselves. When they come in interaction with us humans its for a reason..

1. Either we have disturbed them by moving into there vicinity
2. Some action of ours sends a signal of harm or something to them.
3. Or simply like in our society some.. of them try being a neusense and like to play around with us. I do understand it all times scares the out of us.

The preventions form such the most basic as in Islam are, to be close to your religiion. Recite the holy book, Quran and try staying pure yourself. In this way they have less control over you. This sometimes retaliates them too.. For professional extermination or getting rid of them. You need help. Such help is available from holy people of Islam and cristianity both.

But the basic order of battle is the same..

1. Inner protection and building of yourself.

2. Making sure your surroundings are not harmed by them..

3. In most of the cases try thinking logically to note what might be the motive of their simply intereaction with you..

It doesn't have to be a very speical reason. The reason can always be like the same as a stranger interacts with you on a day while you walk down the street and just sticks to you when you don't want it. Think and analyse your situation on these lines. And then let me know.. May be we can work more on this together..

Regards

Hi Saph! I have to ask you about this psychologist you were seeing called Pim Draper. What did he tell you about his powers exactly? I met him and went to him several times for therapy and he struck me as someone quite forceful as well. Someone who knew about the 'other levels'... and he told me as well that he could use his mental powers in different ways... How long ago did u see him and where?

Hi Saph, I need to ask you about this psychologist u were seeing called Pim Draper -- I saw him myself several times and he struck me as someone quite strong -- he has powers that ordinary folks don't. He told me too about his mental powers. So that makes two of us!! When and where did u see him last? Did u know anything about him?

Hey Saph! Don't know if this site is still running! And don't know where my last piece of communication went! Can never find the same thing twice. I basically asked u about that psychologist called Pim Draper u were seeing. I went to him several times too and he told me similar stuff. He has special powers etc. When did u see him last and what else did he tell u about the things he could do?

You are a person who is "astral traveling" my mother does this, while she is sleeping she can leave her body and travel somewhere else, it can be very dangerous, and the way you say you can see a hole in something and you can put your arm through it, it is a passage to another dimension I have seen this before myself but I never tried to put any part of my body inside of it.But the dark hooded figures you see I don't think are any good, is it just onefull figure body you see or is it a bunch of dark figures floating quickly around you? Are they solid or transparent?Once I had this invisible force chase me, it was horrific, I was scared to death,tears poured out of my eyes, I shrieked so loud the neighbors thought that someone had been murdered.I've seen a lot of things when I was in fifth grade I had just finished cleaning the house, I was home alone, it was right before dusk, I was sitting in my fathers recliner cause I was exausted from cleaning, all the doors were closed along with all the drapes, only way in was through the front door in the living room and the back door off the kitchen, suddenly between the front door and the window there was a light switch, the distance between the two was about as wide as a grown person not a heavyset one just normal size, and all of a sudden some man walked right through that space, he was about 6' feet tall was wearing a dark blue dress suit he had grey hair parted on the side it was just a regular mans haircut, he nonchaently walked stopped turned and looked at me then went on his way, then I ran down to grandmas house. Just be careful