The war in Iraq. The single man most responsible for that war was Saddam. He had wmd in the past, acted like he did just before the war, could have avoided the war by simply allowing UN inspectors to do their job, was warned several times, stubbornly followed his own failed policies.

The 9/11 attack: President Bush actually started doing something to bring the terrorists to judgment, unlike Clinton, who when the twin towers were bombed the first time, fired a couple of ineffective cruise missiles, destroying an asprin factory.

The economy: President Bush led the way to serious tax cuts that allowed our economy to rebound in spite of it falling off when he took office and the additional massive economic burden of the 9/11 attack. The present inflation is the result of normal supply and demand which would have occurred no matter who the president is. If Democrats had gotten out of the way, maybe we would have more supply by now.

Security: We haven’t had another attack in our homeland since 9/11. (Maybe by the time you read this we will have had, but so far, so good.) I will agree that President Bush has been soft on border security, but which of his opponents for the presidency would have handled that issue any better?

SCOTUS: President Bush is responsible for the appointment of 2 judges who, so far, appear to be of the opinion that the Constitution means what is says, and we don’t need to look to foreign nations to decide what we will do here. I wonder if we would have affirmation of our right to bear arms if either Gore or Kerry had appointed those two judges?

President Bush has refused to sign on to KYOTO, and this is saving this country from a real nightmare. What would Gore have done?

President Bush is not perfect, who is? He certainly does not deserve the vile hatred that has come his way. That has gone far beyond disagreement with policy and descended into the personal realm and says FAR MORE ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF HIS DETRACTORS than it does about him.

I disagree totally with all of your "defenses" as you put it.

I guess you totally dismiss W's calling the Constitution "a goddam piece of paper"... and other things he did all by himself with no one else's help.

You forgot the skyrocketing gasoline prices... I guess being a former oilman had nothing to do with that either.

I don't know what Gore would have done to this country... but it sure would not have been of the same magnitude that W has accomplished all by himself (and his clever handlers).

Let me guess... you want W to run for another 4 years?

I haven't laughed so hard at anything today. I think you should have posted this under the Humor and Comedy section.

Twinkie - I agree with you. The only reason I don't want Bush impeached - and jailed, is that it would mean that other would be the Pres. Got to send Cheney away first and now there's no time.



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I have said for some time that President Bush will leave like Truman with extremely unpopular polling and history will vindicate him on most of the issues you raise.
The Bush Doctrine will be the template that future Presidents will use to engage jihadistan much like the Truman Doctrine was the blueprint for the Cold War.
The economy is cyclical and Bush was in office during recovery from 2 economic downturns . The 1st was the tech-stock bubble collapse and the 2nd was the aftermath of 9-11. We went on to have one of the longest sustained expansions in history and I still think the slowdown will end sometime in the fall. I think you have seen peak prices in oil and other commodities like gold and silver... sell if you have them .

I just wish Bush had more time to appoint another SCOTUS oligarch . All he was able to really do was provide balance. The next President may replace as many as 3 judges .So you know what is at stake in this election.

Twinkie... please note that oil prices began to jump when Madame Mimi Pelosi and Harry Reid took over Congress.

The Goracle yesterday announced a 10 year plan to get us off fossile fuels . He gave no details but compared it to the Kennedy Challenge to go to the moon..
Uhhhhh... How did we get there ? With solar power ? I'm telling you ,Neil Armstrong left a huge carbon footprint on the moon!!

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How did we get there ? With solar power ? I'm telling you ,Neil Armstrong left a huge carbon footprint on the moon!!!

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You think the Apollo rockets used oil? Saturn V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks for the clarification I stand corrected .

Hello:

In my view, Bush will go down in hisory as the WORST president EVER.

excon

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I disagree totally with all of your "defenses" as you put it.

I guess you totally dismiss W's calling the Constitution "a goddam piece of paper"...... and other things he did all by himself with no one else's help.

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You have evidence of this?

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The Goracle yesterday announced a 10 year plan to get us off fossile fuels . He gave no details but compared it to the Kennedy Challenge to go to the moon..

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Let's see: Gore is one of those guys that lead by example, right? Don't do as I do, but do as I say.

Worse Presidents :James Buchanan (watched and did nothing as the Union disintegrated ),Andrew Johnson (vetoed civil rights legislations after civil war) among others . Herbert Hoover (turned an economic downturn into the Great Depression .Campaigned for and signed the Smoot-Hawley trade protection act and then passed the Revenue Tax Act of 1932 that raised income taxes, estate taxes and corporate taxes... plunging the country into the Great Depression), Jimmy Carter (for a number of reasons) . John Tyler was called "acting President" or "his accidency" .He was expelled from his own party while he was President. Franklin Pierce was so bad he is the only President not renominated by his own party. He signed to disastrous Kansas-Nebraska act ;killing the fragile balance achieved by the Missouri Compromise.

My initial ranking puts President Bush smack in the middle of the pack . We do not know yet because a lot of his policies are still ongoing .But there is more he could've done in the area of illegal immigration control and entitlement reform .

Hello again, tom:

Another outright repudiation of the Bush Doctrine is being carried out as we speak.

You know all those terrible people that we WOULDN'T talk to, because you can't negotiate with terrorists?? You remember that?? I remember that stupid crap. It was like "bring 'em on". Stupid, STUPID crap.

Anyway, guess whose talking now? Yup, the dufus in chief. I guess he's trying to save what's left... Problem is, it's 7 1/2 years too late.

excon

The Bush Doctrine

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We will direct every resource at our command--every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war--to the destruction and to the defeat of the global terror network...

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President Bush (September 27, 2001, to a joint session of Congress)

Hello tom:

Well there you go. I'm wrong, and Bush is the Diplomacy President.

Jeeez, dude. I thought you paid attention instead of just carrying his water.

excon

Do you really think that there was no negotiations going on in the last 71/2 years ? Just because they are not held formally doesn't mean they haven't been happening .

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do you really think that there was no negotiations going on in the last 71/2 years ? Just because they are not held formally doesn't mean they haven't been happening .

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I guess if it isn't seen on TV, it didn't happen.

Hello again, tom:

I don't know if there was or not. All I know is our president said he's not going to talk with 'em.

If he WAS talking to 'em, why did he lie about it?? Does it make him look weak?? Actually, LYING makes him look weak - specially about something as stupid as this.

Nope, he's the WORST - by far!

excon

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The war in Iraq. The single man most responsible for that war was Saddam. He had wmd in the past, acted like he did just before the war, could have avoided the war by simply allowing UN inspectors to do their job, was warned several times, stubbornly followed his own failed policies.
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Security: We haven't had another attack in our homeland since 9/11. (Maybe by the time you read this we will have had, but so far, so good.) I will agree that President Bush has been soft on border security, but which of his opponents for the presidency would have handled that issue any better?
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President Bush is not perfect, who is? He certainly does not deserve the vile hatred that has come his way. That has gone far beyond disagreement with policy and descended into the personal realm and says FAR MORE ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF HIS DETRACTORS than it does about him.

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As I posted elsewhere, President Clinton laid out the rationale for offensive action against Iraq. So, we may reasonably conclude that the message was not, and is not, objectionable, it is the messenger. YouTube - President Clinton orders attack on Iraq

Hello again, wingers:

I don't know. You guys are really stretchin... But, the patriot that I am, cannot let you get away with it... Try as you might to change reality, the dufus in chief really IS a dufus.

To ME, air strikes are a lot different than an invasion, occupation and a war that bogged us down for over 5 years, cost over a TRILLION $$'s, caused us take our eyes off the REAL enemy, and killed over 4,000 of our OWN people.

I guess to YOU, they're the same... DUDES!

excon

Why do you support the war in Afghanistan ? Because the Taliban attacked us ? Nope ;AQ did . So the reason then I can conclude is that you buy into the Bush doctrine which says that the U.S. would make no distinction between terrorists and the regimes that harbor them.

So lets then say for argument that Obama is our next President . What has he said about preemption ?

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"The danger ... is that we are constantly fighting the last war, responding to the threats that have come to fruition, instead of staying one step ahead of the threats of the 21st century."

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He thus endorses the principle of waging preventive war against non-immediate, but gathering threats to national security.And what else has he said that agrees with the Bush Doctrine ? "we cannot tolerate a sanctuary for terrorists who threaten America's homeland. . . . If we have actionable intelligence about high-level al-Qaida targets in Pakistan's border region, we must act if Pakistan will not or cannot."


And what do all the human rights people think is the proper solution to Zimbabwe ? You got it ; forcibly removing a brutal dictator,Robert Mugabe from power. And why do they argue we should intervene in Darfur ?

The Bush Doctrine will live on no matter who is President .

Obama = Bush Light Bwe he he!