Now health and safety cut number of holes in chip shop salt shakers | Mail Online

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Leading the way has been Gateshead Council, which spent 15 days researching the subject of salty takeaways...

Officers collected information from businesses, obtained samples of fish and chips, measured salt content and ‘carried out experiments to determine how the problem of excessive salt being dispensed could be overcome by design’.

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Then they invented the 5 hole shaker to replace the 17 hole version.

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The council commissioned Drywite Ltd – a catering equipment company based in the West Midlands – to make five-hole shakers and bought 1,000 of them at a cost of £2,000, giving them away to fast-food outlets in their areas.

Drywite confirms that it has since received orders for the shakers from at least five other councils, including Rochdale Borough in Greater Manchester.

Another giving the shakers away is Labour-controlled Middlesbrough Council, where the idea has run into fierce criticism.

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Seems some reactionaries think that people will still put as much salt on fish and chips to satisfy their taste preferences regardless of how many holes are in the shaker. But they miss an important point... This is fast food we are talking about. People ordering it are in a hurry so they will naturally add less salt to it in their impatients .

No ? What other possible logic is there to it then ?
Your tax money at work !

Of course you did miss out the best part of that piece:

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Cllr Chris Hobson, leader of the Conservatives, said: 'This is just silly, a total waste of money in an area where council tax is very high. I'm all for good health but do they really think they are going to stop people using as much salt simply by putting fewer holes in thecellar? They'll just shake it for longer.'

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YES, UK councils do some pretty stupid things, this being one of them, but this type of thing happens all over the world.
Remember it's always the silly things that get the column inches ;)

Yes and I wasn't posting it to point out the UK in particular . How could I when the mayor of NY borders on being a food Nazi ?

New York's trans fat ban moves to final stage -- Newsday.com

Or a nation that allows lawyers ;who have extorted pretty much all they can from the tobacco industry, to now target the fast food industry with the same Inspector Javert zeal ?
Law.com - Are Fast Food Lawsuits Likely to Be the Next 'Big Tobacco'?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Then they invented the 5 hole shaker to replace the 17 hole version.

Seems some reactionaries think that people will still put as much salt to satisfy their taste preferences regardless of how many holes are in the shaker. But they miss an important point .... This is fast food we are talking about. People ordering it are in a hurry so they will naturally add less salt to it in their impatients . (? NOT ME!)

No ? What other possible logic is there to it then ?
Your tax money at work !

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Guess I am just going to have ta start carrying my shaker around with me
I like a little food with my salt and ketchup.
Next you are going to tell me no more Heinz ketchup??

Heinz was banned for possible racist over tones, (after all who won the war)
It's now called Jones ;) </sarcasm>

Ketchup... the quintessantial all-American condiment... borrowed from Indo-china.. and outright stolen from the Brits and Dutch. We have elevated it to the level of vegetable

No way can that be called junk food!! Don't worry ;your bottle is safe (but perhaps you should change brands to Huntz .

Ooowwww yuke!! Hunts ketchup NEVER!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

ketchup ......the quintessantial all-American condiment ....borrowed from Indo-china ..and outright stolen from the Brits and Dutch. We have elevated it to the level of vegetable

No way can that be called junk food !!!! Don't worry ;your bottle is safe (but perhaps you should change brands to Huntz .

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As much as I don't like enriching the Senator from Massachusetts I could never switch to Hunts. Anyway, at least Terezza and John don't have a large stake in the company.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

As much as I don't like enriching the Senator from Massachusetts I could never switch to Hunts. Anyway, at least Terezza and John don't have a large stake in the company.

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That is Senator of Pennsylvania the late John Heinz as far as I am concerned.
I like not to associate Terezza or Massachusetts kerry with MY ketchup
When she came here during Hurricane Ivan she toured Etna and said she wished she knew what she could do to help. The workers wondered why she didn't even think of at least donating a case of Heinz ketchup and a case of Iron City beer to the workers.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

That is Senator of Pennsylvania the late John Heinz as far as I care.
I like not to associate Terezza or kerry with MY ketchup

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Sapph, I understand completely. It's either that or eat a much lesser ketchup :)

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Yes and I wasn't posting it to point out the UK in particular . How could I when the mayor of NY borders on being a food Nazi ?

New York's trans fat ban moves to final stage -- Newsday.com

Or a nation that allows lawyers ;who have extorted pretty much all they can from the tobacco industry, to now target the fast food industry with the same Inspector Javert zeal ?
Law.com - Are Fast Food Lawsuits Likely to Be the Next 'Big Tobacco'?__________________

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I watch the UK as if the UK was a canary in the mine. There is a good probability I think that events and trends in both countries are often mirror images.

Today the government in the UK went further and is trying to restrict how much food a Brit can purchase.
Britain declares war on food waste - Green Living, Environment - The Independent

But in another report ,the use of food to make bio-fuels is also cited as a reason for spiraling cost of food ;and questions if the conversion has had it's desired environmental impact. To that I fully agree that converting food to fuel has been a disaster on prices and has had a terrible environmental impact. More carbon and resources is consumed in the conversion than is gained .

Here's what you wrote:

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Today the government in the UK went further and is trying to restrict how much food a Brit can purchase.

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And here is what the content states:
Britain declares war on food waste - Green Living, Environment - The Independent

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Supermarkets will be urged to drop "three for two" deals on food that encourage shoppers into bulk-buying more than they need, often leading to the surpluses being thrown away.

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Explain to me how they are restricting how much food a Brit is allowed to purchase.

Things is, NK, these are supposed freebies. The supermarkets push these "deals" HARD.
If you are not taking advantage then they believe there is something wrong with you.

As you know everyone likes something for nothing, but when it is perishable fruit and veg it kind of defeats the object. So much is wasted due to spoiling.
Now if the items are freezable, then all good ;)

I thought that connection was obvious.

By "urging " stores to stop special bulk purchases they are effectively attempting to restrict how much is purchased. Yes the consumer can still purchase that amt.; but if bulk savings are eliminated then they would pay more for the same amt.

I think you have missed the whole marketing angle her Tom.
After all customers would much rather shop where there is perceived value, even if in reality it's all smoke and mirrors.

You average consumer is very easily lead, normally by the nose.

It's all about the advertising of the 'deals'. A consumer can still buy as much as they want. The article does not mention that someone at checkout will remove items from your basket because you went over some limit.

Curley

I don't know if it is the same as here ;but poorer (often immigrant ) folks will purchase staple items in bulk for the savings . Although the articles I read did emphasis items that were quickly perishable ;do the same deals apply to items like rice flour etc.

There wouldn't be such an issue if the items were indeed storable, but they tend to be the "lifestyle" items rather than staples.

Who really needs a dozen kiwi fruit for the price of two, or five kilos of bananans for a pound.

OK thanks for the clarification .

He, he, he: "The Prime Minister was served 24 different dishes during his first day at the summit – just hours after urging the world to reduce the "unnecessary demand" for food and calling on British families to cut back on their wasteful use of food." G8 summit: Gordon Brown has eight-course dinner before food crisis talks - Telegraph