Democrats are great for talking out of both sides of their mouths so you don't know what they are going to do before they get elected but now...
After all this time of Bush not supporting off shore drilling for oil he was suppose to repeal the ban today but Pelosi pulled the bill so that he can not.
Why was Bush against it and now for it?
Would it be because he wants to win back some favor?
What impact will it have on the politics if and when it does go through?
What difference does it really make (at least that the Democrats seem to think) it is okay that others are drilling in the Gulf just so it is not us?
And what ever you can add to enlighten me

Thanks

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

Democrats are great for talking out of both sides of their mouths so you don't know what they are going to do before they get elected but now....
after all this time of Bush not supporting off shore drilling for oil he was suppose to repeal the ban today but Pelosi pulled the bill so that he can not.

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Pelosi is another wealthy crafty individual that like most politicians, doesn't give a hoot about you and I. The only thing she got right recently was when she realized her friend Hillary wasn't not going to get the nomination, she attempted to broker peace for the Democratic party. My guess is that her ploy here is to use this against the Republicans somehow in the general election free-for-all.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

Why was Bush against it and now for it?

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Because his father "George Herbert Walker" initiated the ban and he wanted to go about this in respectful manner that would keep him on his mother's Thanksgiving dinner invite.

His mothers Thanksgiving dinner invite!
Thanks that was about the most insightful politic strategy that has made much sense to me in a long time!
Again thanks :D

Flash back time . Bush has always been in favor of drilling .

Bush, Pushing Energy Plan, Offers Scores of Proposals to Find New Power Sources

The Conservative radio talk show hosts were saying he wasn't.
Well I hope he manages to repeal it before his term is up.

Facts about ANWR ;

Reagan Interior Dept proposed exploration .

March 1989, a Senate committee approved leasing in the coastal plain.
Less than 10 days later, the Exxon Valdez oil spill happened. All momentum for drilling ceased .Any attempt to open it up stalled in the Senate.

When Republicans took charge of both the House and the Senate in the mid-1990s, they put the measure in the budget package, which can't be filibustered.It went through both the House and the Senate, and of course President Clinton vetoed it.

President Bush supports drilling. But repeated efforts failed to give him an energy bill to sign that included drilling in the refuge. Senate filibusters, or the threat of them, stood in the way.
It was added to the budget bill again. The Senate approved a budget package that includes a provision to allow leasing in the refuge.
But the House is presenting the latest hurdle. More than two dozen moderate Republicans oppose drilling in the Arctic, and they pressured their leadership to remove the measure from the House budget package, which had yet to face a vote in Congress.

As far as off-shore drilling . Part of the reason President Bush opposed it was in deference to his brother Jeb who opposed drilling off Fla. I don't see this as a flip-flop as much as a "change from the failed policies of the past " .$4 /gal seems to have been the threshold for a new paradigm .

Bush wants to lift ban on offshore drilling - International Herald Tribune

"There are two prohibitions on offshore drilling, one imposed by Congress and another by executive order signed by Bush's father in 1990. Bush's brother, Jeb, fiercely opposed offshore drilling when he was governor of Florida. What the president now proposes would rescind his father's decision — but the president took the position that Congress has to act first and then he would follow behind."

The real question is... will the anti-drill here- drill now -pay less Democrats go along with it ?

Tom, if I could only get a sweet "wink wink" deal on a Countrywide loan, then maybe I could afford a gas guzzler. :) Between the Democrat senators unaware of how to process home loans or having knowledge of current rates, and a Republican president unaware of 4 dollar a gallon gas prices this Summer, it's no wonder we are in a giant mess. :eek:

Yup I can't wait for Sen. Dodd to begin his bailout hearings . He treats Fannie Mae as his personal piggy bank.

I was actually considering making a separate posting on the friends of Angelo . My thesis that I am developing is that there once was a young community activist now running for President (who rails about predatory loans ) from Chitown who was a close friend of a Chitown slum lord and worked with groups such as ACORN... you know... connect the dots .

SUV... I'd never own one .But I have a lot of sympathy for those rural people from flyover America who make a living dependent on their big motor vehicles and equipment . Something has to be done for them.

What Quinn and I think Salvage and some others said is that ACORN forced congress to force the loan companies to give loans to low income people that didn't qualify by using of discrimination reasons. Now the loan companies are left to look like the bad guy because they could not afford to keep up with their loan agreement.

Sapph
That is pretty much my take on it also. The question I am exploring is ;what does community activist mean in Chicago ? I have been hinting that there is more than meets the eye that the press has been reluctant to cover . But the facts are catching up . Rezko eventually is going to want to make a deal with Patrick Fitzgerald. I think things will heat up on that front after Obama is officially the nominee.

Tom, you place your hopes on connections that rarely materialize or have any significance to swing voters. Obama never did anything that the senior McCain hasn't already done. There's a reason Cindy doesn't want everybody knowing her financial business and it's not because she's above reproach. Listen do you have AM/PM stores (ampm home) in NY? We have them in Vegas and now they started charging people forty-five cents transaction fees any time a debit card is used when purchasing gas. So not only do we pay an outrageous price at the pump, we now pay the price for paying the price. BTW there's going to be a rise in criminal activity nationally that's measured by this economy and rising inflation. Thieves are already using cordless drills on gas tanks and stealing gas broad daylight in mall parking lots.

I wonder how Bush and the Republicans supporting off shore drilling will effect the people of Florida? Jeb Bush had to nix the idea when he was governor.
Election coming up in November.

Jeb Bush opposed it from the git go . I wonder how the people of Fla will view oil rigs off their shore r by Chinese and pumping oil for Cuba. That's happening you know.

Bobby I am sure we have them or other convenience stores of a similar ilk.. I call that practice usury But then again I accuse most of the credit card companies of playing the same game. The banks also do that when they charge a $2.50 fee on a $20 ATM withdrawal ;or charge ridiculous penalties on late fees or over drafts.

Perhaps my take on Obama is wishful thinking . The Clintoids got away with Whitewater even while half of Arkansas went to jail to protect them. But I think my instincts are right. Ask Chou and Wondergirl how ward politics is played in Chicago , People were awaken from the dead to vote for JFK .The county recorded it's final tally late long after the polls closed. Daley first had to ask Joe Kennedy how many votes he needed.

The dots are there to follow. The question is ;will the MSM follow them or give him a pass. You know McCain was exonerated by the Democrat who investigated the Keating 5 and still the questions persist. So you know if McCain has something hidden in the closet it will come out .

Cindy McCain is doing nothing different that Terry Heinz did in 2004 regarding the disclosure of income.

Right now we are not drilling off shore but I bet that if Mexico made a deal with us
THEY would be drilling there. For some reason it seems okay for other countries to do what we can not do because we have to be politically correct. Look at that oil Mexico found in the Gulf and we basically handed them over all rights instead of keeping it for our benefit.
Why are we building a freedom highway from Mexico to Canada and Spain is going to be the ones that profit?

This might have something to do with it.

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Gov. Crist drops support of offshore drilling ban -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

TALLAHASSEE - Gov. Charlie Crist has dropped his long-standing support for the federal moratorium on offshore drilling.

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So the Democratic majority in congress sits on their behinds, doing nothing but being a hindrance to less dependence on foreign oil, while you and I are taking it in the wallet at the gas station... meanwhile...

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Cheney attacked for comment on Chinese offshore oil drilling - USATODAY.com

"There is no actual drilling yet. ... There is exploration," said Johanna Mendelson-Forman, a senior fellow on energy and Latin America at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

She said China's oil company, Sinopac, has conducted EXPLORATORY drilling on a lease on land in western Cuba, but is not involved in the offshore development

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Congress won't even allow exploration - the first step in finding and getting oil.



Don't you think that if the oil speculators, that are part of the reason why the price is higher, thought that Congress would allow more potential supply to ease demand, they would be less likely to keep bidding up the price of oil?

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Because his father "George Herbert Walker" initiated the ban and he wanted to go about this in respectful manner that would keep him on his mother's Thanksgiving dinner invite.

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Um, actually it was a congressional moratorium in 1981, look it up.

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Tom, you place your hopes on connections that rarely materialize or have any significance to swing voters. Obama never did anything that the senior McCain hasn't already done. There's a reason Cindy doesn't want everybody knowing her financial business and it's not because she's above reproach. Listen do you have AM/PM stores (ampm home) in NY? We have them in Vegas and now they started charging people forty-five cents transaction fees any time a debit card is used when purchasing gas. So not only do we pay an outrageous price at the pump, we now pay the price for paying the price. BTW there's going to be a rise in criminal activity nationally that's measured by this economy and rising inflation. Thieves are already using cordless drills on gas tanks and stealing gas broad daylight in mall parking lots.

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There's a good reason gas stations are forced to add a fee or drop credit cards altogether, the credit card fees are eating up the profits.

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Originally Posted by inthebox

so the Democratic majority in congress sits on their behinds, doing nothing but being a hindrance to less dependence on foreign oil, while you and I are taking it in the wallet at the gas station..... meanwhile...

Congress won't even allow exploration - the first step in finding and getting oil.

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Yep, and every Democrat talking head is using the excuse that it will take years for us to even get any of that oil. So let's just put it off even longer you idiots...