Ask Me Help Desk - FLDS / what about their rights?

Attorneys work to hammer out plan to return FLDS kids to parents - Salt Lake Tribune

I can not believe that with all the libertarians, separation of church and state types, small government conservative types, ACLU types, anti-fascist types on this board, that NO ONE has brought this up.

Why?

1] is it because they are white?

2] is it because they are religious?

3] is it because they are of a different religion?

4] is it because they are not in the politically correct "victim" / special interest group?

5] is it because they are from flyover country?

Where is the outrage over government stealing 450 kids from their parents on trumped up false charges?

They have not found one case of child abuse! Amazing, I guarantee you that if the government picked up 450 kids from any low income housing project, or from any "rich" gated community, not only would there be outrage, protests, lawsuits, but you would find at least one in 450 being neglected , or abused.

Quote:

Originally Posted by inthebox

Attorneys work to hammer out plan to return FLDS kids to parents - Salt Lake Tribune

I can not believe that with all the libertarians, separation of church and state types, small government conservative types, ACLU types, anti-fascist types on this board, that NO ONE has brought this up. Why?

Because much of the discussion board is wasted on negative campaigning as we heard first from the Hillaryettes, and now the McCainites until November.

Quote:

Originally Posted by inthebox

1] is it because they are white?

2] is it because they are religious?

3] is it because they are of a different religion?

4] is it because they are not in the politically correct "victim" / special interest group?

5] is it because they are from flyover country?

Where is the outrage over government stealing 450 kids from their parents on trumped up false charges?

They have not found one case of child abuse! Amazing, I guarantee you that if the government picked up 450 kids from any low income housing project, or from any "rich" gated community, not only would there be outrage, protests, lawsuits, but you would find at least one in 450 being neglected , or abused.

Not much I agree with concerning their religion, but the younger children really deserved to be with the remaining parent. In other words while the biological sperm donors are headed to court, and eventually prison for offences with minors, the mother's should had never been separated from their children. The younger children especially are so innocent and don't know what's happening except that they miss their mothers. The government did the right thing by having counselors involved and providing meals to these kids, but dropped the ball by doing a sweep custody separation job. They needed to single out offenders they had evidence on and go from there. This is strictly my opinion as I acknowledge a very difficult situation with many dynamics in this case. Hindsight is 20/20.

The laws of the land ,and in all 50 States ,prohibit polygamy . Also since there was a real question of child abuse and statutory rape being routine in the cult ,I thought the authorities made the correct call. Better that they were held in protective custody until every thing was sorted out .

Where the Texas authorities made a mistake however is when the truth turned out to be different than the exaggerated narrative their source had claimed ,they did not make provisions to return the children.

Hello in:

I'm outraged... But this is just business as usual by a government that has forgotten who serves who.

excon

ABC News: Polygamy Trail Leads to Colorado

The case should have been dropped as soon as this lady was arrested.

I wonder how many people would like the government taken their kids away based on an obviously false allegations.

How many cases have been dropped because the accused was not Mirandized, or the evidence was tainted or improperly handled.

Why the double standard?

Well after all, there are close to 400 of them. Do you know how much it cost to house and feed 400 people. That is the only reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomder55

The laws of the land ,and in all 50 States ,prohibit polygamy . Also since there was a real question of child abuse and statutory rape being routine in the cult ,I thought the authorities made the correct call. Better that they were held in protective custody until every thing was sorted out .

Where the Texas authorities made a mistake however is when the truth turned out to be different than the exaggerated narrative their source had claimed ,they did not make provisions to return the children.

There was no real question once the "anonymous" caller was found.

Again, a double standard. Even after several weeks, has the state proven their case?

FLDS hearings: Texas' case weakens as moms turn out adults - Salt Lake Tribune

Fact is as tom mentioned, polygamy is illegal - and worse yet is marrying off and impregnating minors. They are still investigating in the belief that men had sex with underage girls 12 to 15 years old. That's despicable.

HOWEVER, Texas CPS is an agency out of control. They can basically take any child into temporary custody out of any home for any reason at any time. And after they do, they've been known to fight to have them returned to incompetent parents instead of leaving them with another caring foster family until (or if) the situation stabilizes. I'm a Texan and I think the agency needs a complete overhaul - and that was long before this. This time they overstepped it more than a little bit.

I agree that polygamy is illegal in the state of Texas, and that sex with a minor is illegal as well, but for cps to rest their case on a false anonymous accusation is not right.
What of all the kids, none abused, being forcibly separated from their mothers?
Why did they just not go in and get this Jeffs guy and all the men from the start and leave the women and children out of it?

Part of the issue is that they couldn't determine WHO the parents were. Heck, half the time the kids were told to lie, and the other half they did't KNOW who their biological mother was.

Hard to keep kids with their moms when they won't or can't say who their moms are.

I've said for a long time that CPS needs to have more checks and balances. But at the same time--look at it this way: Polygamy is probably not a good influence on small children. AND--it's illegal. Would you want any OTHER kids left in a situation where the parents were doing something illegal that could have a negative influence on the child, even if there were no obvious signs of abuse? Something, like, say---smoking pot? Yet thousands of kids every year are taken away from pothead parents for JUST that reason--that it's a bad influence.

Is what the government did illegal? Sure! But the government has a history of doing illegal things where religious compounds are concerned.

They erred in favor of protecting the children. Rather that then return them to an abusive environment . Once the facts were there then perhaps they should've moved faster but there is still legitimate questions as to who the legal guardians and the true parents are .