Have you ever noticed,
When watching a *good video clip while tired,
You can't close your eyes,
Well,
You can actually,
But you don't want to because of the video?

Have you ever tried to visualise the physical concept of the
The earth,
The sun,
The moon,
And trillions of other things in a 3d idealisation while looking up on a clear day,
Or a dark, stary night?

Have you ever forgotten how much it hurts to get injured,
Then gotten injured,
And found out it wasn't so bad,
In fact,
Slightly useful for when trying to stay awake?

Have you ever tried too understand how,
Not what,
But how someone else thinks,
Only too find out,
It's how nearly everyone around you thinks?

Have you ever believed in something sooooooo much,
Too the point you feel it actually makes logical sense,
To find you were partially wrong,
Not entirely,
But partially?

Have you ever thought so hard your physical brain hurts?

Have you ever known something that others didn't,
Only too be pushed out of the picture when opposing their obviously wrong ways,
Only too find out they all got hurt all in someway
Because they didn't do "it" the way you said?

Have you ever had a conversation with someone,
Only to find out,
They only wanted to talk,
And not listen to you?

Have you ever destroyed something,
Only to find out you want it back,
You don't actually "need" it as such,
But want it?

Have you ever sat there (where ever "there" is) and watched two different groups of ants fight each other too the death,
But felt really sad,
Depressed and/or angry when too groups of humans fight too the death while only using mêlée type attacks?

Have you ever felt sad when, say, your grandad or mother died, mabye even a sibling or parent.
But felt safer when a "dangerous" animal dies fitting the same description above that's nowhere near you?

No, No, No, No, No, No, Yes, No, No, and finally No.

Hey, coogiez! You came back! I'm glad that you did! :)

That's a very insightful reflection that you have written. Excellent job! I can identify with many aspects of it.

Please do keep on sharing!

Thanks!

I liked your writing,much of it is true.

Just not the destroying something and realising I shouldn't have is not something that happens to me.I let go of things only after years and years of it and sometimes end up with so much junk I should actually have gotten rid of earlier:).

Thank you for sharing.

Clough,

I'm glad you *seem impressed about what I wrote down in under five minutes.
Although I can't deny it's ability too encapture some people, it's hardly made of usable wood,
Let alone gold,
Pointless stuff that is :rolleyes:

I was actually looking too see how many people would write like progunr.



Thanks for poking me in the eye and helping me come too the realisation that the world isn't entirly full of ignorant, arrogant, abusive, foolish, naïve [edit].

Only most.

Yeah, could have a little clan of theorist-type people :D

coogiez, abstract thinking, which is what I classify your type of writing, (it isn't of course really abstract but it sort of sets it apart in my mind to think of it that way as opposite of pragmatic.) is understood by some and totally off the wall for others.

I am not sure you would say people are ignorant, arrogant or foolish if they read what you wrote and do not take something from it. I have friends who have had their children ask me their questions because the parent had no clue how to answer and further more, could see no reason to answer to what they considered an absurd question. The parent was a more pragmatic thinker so could not relate in anyway to the child's questions. They would answer, "Who cares?" or perhaps, "Who even thinks about those things!" I would listen and respond the best way I could. The child was satisfied after asking a kzillion more questions and the parent sat there saying, "I had no clue how to answer them." The child would feel frustrated, as would the parent. I was a child like I mentioned. My parent would look at me like I was from another planet. It made me feel displaced, like I didn't even fit anywhere. My parent was one that would say something like, "Oh, don't be silly." If I insisted on an answer, I was to my parent being even more silly. Some people have said, "What does it matter?" I tell them, it matters to the person asking the question!!

(Perhaps your reason for posting was not for any serious purpose but I believe, whether intentional or not, you have touched on a subject that is rarely discussed and I for one am glad you posted.)

Excellent post by jrebel7 above!

Since you did post in the Writing topic area, it would hopefully be unlikely that you would get responses simply as answers to the questions that you asked. Had you posted in another area that was not so much about the arts of some kind, you likely would have just simply got answers to your question, because people would not understand that you were being expressive and artistic in some way with what you wrote.

I hope that you do appreciate that there are some people here who do appreciate the art with what you wrote, no matter how quickly it was conceived and then written down.

I did need to edit your post just a bit in order to keep within that rules of this site. Self-expression is definitely okay here. But, this isn't an "anything goes" kind of site.

We do look forward to further postings by you! I do know that I speak for a number of people concerning that.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by coogiez

clough,

i'm glad you *seem impressed about what i wrote down in under five minutes.
although i can't deny it's ability too encapture some people, it's hardly made out of usable wood,
let alone gold,
pointless stuff that is :rolleyes:

i was actually looking too see how many people would write like progunr.


thanks for poking me in the eye and helping me come too the realisation that the world isn't entirly full of ignorant, arrogant, abusive, foolish, naive [edit].

only most.

yeah, could have a lil clan of theorist-type people :D

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I am not sure why,but you seem to make the questions you asked in your poem/writing as if it doesn't mean anything or as if they are not important.

As Jreb said,there are questions that we think about,not necessarily ask because we feel someone will think less of us for asking it.

You would be surprised to know what thoughts pop up in my head now and then,some may even call it foolish but to me they are important like some of the things you mentioned in your post.

Imagining physical hurt is not the same as feeling it in real life.For example giving birth was just a concept I used to imagine and sometimes see on TV or movies.Never saw anyone give birth in real life.Then to go through that experience by myself,it was a whole new knowledge to actually feel it.And forever after we are changed because of it.

To sit quietly and listen to the world is something we normally do not do,but I like to do that now and then.Just to listen to the world beyond the hum of electrical appliances,beyond the sounds of humans,to listen to the wind,waves,rain etc.

Maybe a surprise to you,but your post does reflect some of the things I do think about in real life.

Towards jrebel7:

From what you wrote,
I can see frustration,
And I went through that same feeling myself,
It was increasingly hard too make my parents, siblings, friends and even teachers
Too see my point of view (that being "abstract" if you will).

The *fun this was, and still is for me,
Is that now, when ever I think up a question,
I can answer it just as easily,
Even easier then it was too think up the question itself,
Which I (personally) find quite comforting,
Knowing that I know most things,

Subconciously.

The thing is,
Even when I ask people the question I know the answer too,
They can't/don't come to a conclusion at all,
Let alone care that much about it,
And the irratating thing is,
Even when I tell them the answer, with logical, reasonable physical proof,
They just look at me in some sly way,
Supposedly too help the keep their (higher than mine) social level from deteriorating,
And then I have all the lower class,
Foolish people chasing me around and,
Not worshiping me,
But trying too bring me down too their level,
So they can dissect my thoughts.

That is a more "detailed" reason why I keep too myself,
Because you aren't what you eat,
But you are who you are because of others.
So I built my own standards,
And left the ignorant, arrogant, abusive, foolish and naïve people out of the picture.

Towards firmbeliever:

My answer to jrebel7 will help with this,

The reason why I *try too make most of my statements like,
Say, jokes,
Is because then all the "other" people just dismiss them as though they are,
Not too attack progunr's answer in anyway,
The first post is a valuable thing, progunr used it well, (I think)
But for the other people,
They see through that cover of "simpleness" and ask me why I made the post so,
Odd.

Then I know they really think, obviously not even partially like me,
But close enough for me too know they have that ability too answer in an abstract way too some things.

And clough,
I can see why you edited my first post,
It's okay,
I won't make that "mistake" if you will, again.

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Originally Posted by coogiez

the *fun this was, and still is for me,
is that now, when ever i think up a question,
i can answer it just as easily,
even easier then it was too think up the question itself,
which i (personally) find quite comforting,
knowing that i know most things,

subconciously.

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I agree. To formulate a good question is great fun, and takes more creativity and insight than answering questions, whether good or bad, that someone else thought up.

coogiez, in both posts you seem to have an issue with class distinction. Perhaps if you would view people as individuals, each making choices every day, fighting their own battles, having some of the same questions, some different questions but all seeking our own answers, and realize that we are all the same, all have questions, some have answers to some questions, others never have given those particular questions any thought at all and never will but we, as individuals make choices that make us who we are, you might have less issues of class distinction. I disagree that we are who we are because of others. I maintain we all make choices everyday that make us who we are. I have stood alone a lot of times in situations where it would have been easier to fade into the crowd. Of course, we are influenced by those around us but ultimately, make our own choices and that make us who we are as individuals.

(Society does make class distinction by way of putting us in a box according to income, status in the community, what possessions we have but as individuals, I think we can make the world a better place by not accepting that in our hearts but by viewing all people the same, accepting them for who they are, not what they have, etc. No one is blind that class distinction exists but I choose to walk and talk the same no matter who I am around. I choose not to be put into a box.)

You mention that you ask questions but already know the answer to them. That can be such a good thing because it may help others to feel more freedom to ask questions that they wonder about all the time without worrying they will look silly.

When you say, "The thing is, even when i ask people the question i know the answer too, they can't/don't come to a conclusion at all, let alone care that much about it, and the irritating thing is, even when i tell them the answer, with logical, reasonable physical proof, they just look at me in some sly way,"
this makes me wonder if you realize that people can generally tell if the person is asking the questions because they are sincere and seeking a real answer to their questions or if they are just bringing up subjects and questions to pass the time. There is a saying "Answer a fool according to his folly" and I think prounr keyed into this and answered your post accordingly. (Please do not misunderstand. I am not calling you a fool.) I just think that prounr saw the intent and chose to answer directly to that intent while the others of us just chose to answer "as if" you really wanted answers, in the hopes that others in reading your first post, might see that if this person is asking these questions (though they may not be the same questions another person might actually want answers to) then maybe it would be okay if they asked questions they wonder about but didn't want to appear silly for asking. I believe your post served a dual purpose and I appreciate your post. I have an idea under all that you have typed to us, there are some real questions you feel you may know the answer to but would honestly like to feel comfortable to ask some deeper seated questions.

It's hard for me too misunderstand,
To answer the question:

"this makes me wonder if you realize that people can generally tell if the person is asking the questions because they are sincere and seeking a real answer to their questions or if they are just bringing up subjects and questions to pass the time."

The reason why I ask people such questions,
Is too see they're able too see the "abstract" view of the question,
There isn't a defined "real" answer in this regard.

Usually they look at me in an odd way because it IS such an "abstract" question.

Like: have you ever seen two spiders battle it out too the death?

If they say yes,
(highly doubtfull such an occurrence would arise, but you never know till you know)
I ask, have you ever seen two humans battle it out too the death?

Obviously, they'll say no, unless they've been cryogenically frozen since the medieval age.

Then I say, which one was cooler?

Obviously, if they think about it "abstractly" they could say,

Human,

Why?

Because humans can live in much harsher climates then spiders.

The "normal" viewer could say:

Don't know, probably human,

Why?

...

They're still defining their standards by others,
Then I walk away.

Still, no one has answered any of my questions "abstractly".

The answer too the questions shown here have an extremely broad answering capability,
Just because I used these answers doesn't mean they're the "right" or actual answers I hope too find,
They're just one view point, of many.

Also, the meaning of the word abstract is somewhat bent into a different context which a dictionary would imply,
And I haven't the reason too find a better,
Easier word too use that fits the context implied here.

Collgiez,
It is truly amazing how smart insightful people are pushed away,
Because they think they are so damb important and they don't listen to people have to say. I really connect to you, the only people whoever understand what I amsaying are my very creative family.
And just because you wrote it down in five minutes means nothing, all it means is that it came to you you wrote it, and its brilliant. I haven't a clue why you seem to think it is unimportant, it is great, no wonderful I wish more people wrote like you.l

I guess I still have enough rebel in me to make me appreciate the absurdity of being "put in a box" in our thinking. Hopefully, I will always enjoy posts such as yours coogiez, because it reaches in and forces us to think "outside the box"!!