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Well, it appears that the dufus in chief was lying about widespread torture and abuse of the prisoners in our custody. Whoda thunk that?

And, who are the lilly livered left wing punks who disclosed THIS atrocity?? Noooo, it wasn't the NY Slimes... Why, it was the lilly livered punks at the FBI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/op...html?th&emc=th

I think Bush, Rummy, Yoo, Gonzales, and a couple others should spend some slam time. I actually think war crimes are prettttttty bad. Even, perhaps, worse than anything I could have conceived of doing.

excon

PS> (edited) OMG. I forgot Darth Vader himself...

You are doing the right thing by bringing this type of activity to our attention. It sickens me to think of what will happen IF one of these men makes it out and decides retribution is in order. We are suffering everyday from the inadequacy of a president that stole the election in the first place. He is such a dishonest, evil, man that deserves to be treated the same. There is a very special place in hell for people like him and he will be there most likely sooner than later.

I wonder if John McBush will speak out against this torture? Probably not, he has flipped flopped on *almost all* positions he had in the past.

I have a feeling the Democratic nominee will ask McBush about it, though. :D

They are taking the position that terrorists never signed the Geneva Convention. Article 4 defines POW as:
* "Members of the armed forces"
* "militias...including those of organized resistance movements...having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance...conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war"
* "Persons who accompany the armed forces"
* "Members of crews...of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft"
* "Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war."

Our guys argue terrorists don't fit into any of those categories and therefore do not fall under the Convention. This essentially means we are not bound by rules with regard to our treatment of them. They feel especially justified in this when the terrorists decapitate folks on TV indicating their own feelings for the Geneva statutes.

I don't think it is justified to do it indiscriminately, but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. So, I'd like to see all decapitators get the full treatment, but at the same time regular enemy footsoldiers treated like we would want our troops to be treated. Unfortunately, this is a hard position to implement.

Does Bushy even know how to tell the truth? Or does he even know the truth (meaning does he really understand what's going on around him or does daddy pull the strings)? I'm scared to know all the lies he's told!!

I do not have all the details yet but on appearance it looks to me to be an intra-agency turf war. The FBI had begun some interrogations and got p-oed when the CIA took over . Then ;being uncomfortable with techniques that did not include wiping butts to gain their trust ,(I kid you not :“even to the point of cleaning him up after bowel movements.”) ,they began to document questionable techniques at GITMO . I do not know how much of this is eye witness or second hand from detainees . I'm sure more information will be revealed as the OIG report gets read .

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OMG. I forgot Darth Vader himself....

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How could you forget Darkside D!ck and Chief Minion Dave (Addington)? The Dufus in Chief is just an embarrassment, but these guys are genuinely scary. If anybody in this administration gets prosecuted for war crimes, I hope it's them.

The Military Commissions Act!! Bush and Gonzo's darkest hour! What a mess they have now!

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Send them all to gaol (sorry jail). You can take our former PM, Attorney General, and Foreign Minister with them.

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I do not have all the details yet but on appearance it looks to me to be an intra-agency turf war. The FBI had begun some interrogations and got p-oed when the CIA took over . Then ;being uncomfortable with techniques that did not include wiping butts to gain their trust ,(I kid you not :“even to the point of cleaning him up after bowel movements.”) ,they began to document questionable techniques at GITMO . I do not know how much of this is eye witness or second hand from detainees . I'm sure more information will be revealed as the OIG report gets read .

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Wait a minute, I'm confused here. Who has to wipe G W's butt? The FBI or the CIA?

I feel sorry for some of you, so bitter you know. How many times were the Fla votes recounted? Same results every time. You lost. Live with it.

I feel so sorry for some of you. No sense of humor. Who cares how many times the votes were recounted? We still got the Dufus in Chief and now we need a good sense of humor. Come on, admitt it, the guy resembles a little cheeky monkey.

I suppose you would have preferred THE GORACLE?

Mag, I agree completely with your assessment of who controls our economy. What do you think it would take to change that?

Exactly what Ron Paul said we should do. Shut down the Federal Reserve which is owned by Private, European bankers. We, America, is completely in debt to them; Therefore, they really call the shots. We are "under the Crown." That is the truth of the matter. No conspiracy, no BullSh1t. We must go back to what the Constitution says we do.

HA!! I LOVE THIS SITE SOOOOO MUCH!! I can go to work stressed out about my day and come home hop on the et for a quick twenty minute unwind session and you guys(and gals) remind me of how small all of my daily problems really are and that there is much BIGGER problems out there that I am overlooking. I find myself relaxed and refocused in no time!

I sit back and read all of these posts... "and I think to myself what a wonderful world!!!"

Thank you all for such an awesome site!

Oh and by the way... 99.9% of all political units are scammers, liars, cheats, sneaks, thieves, and a thousand times worse than a lot of the criminals sitting on death row right now. I mean we have men on death row facing the chair or injection for shooting their wives in the head when they caught their lazy good for nothing butts in bed with another man. And our pres says "that man should die!" But he can lie to a whole country, steal from a whole country, send innocent men and women to kill people in another country, and that is so totally okay. But I guess when you are in a power position you can live the old fabled way of life... DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO.

And thanks again everyone I love this site!!

Dang! I am so in the dark! I didn't realize that GW was running for Pres this time.

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Dang!! I am so in the dark! I didn't realize that GW was running for Pres this time.

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In Dubya's third reincarnation he's coming back as John McCain. As one news commentator put it, "John McCain is closer to Dubya (W), than X, Y, and Z."