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  • May 22, 2008, 06:19 AM
    SkyGem
    What do you think of McCain's pastor comments vs. Obama's?
    Comments made by both pastors are critical to any campaign. But what do you see in each of these pastor's comments? In contrast with each pastor's viewpoint, how do the American people (you) feel about what they are saying?

    ABC News: McCain Pastor: Islam Is a 'Conspiracy of Spiritual Evil'
  • May 22, 2008, 07:37 AM
    tomder55
    The thing that both pastors have in common is that they were both used by a candidate to advance their political career. The difference is that McCain has not hidden that fact. Obama made it a point to call Rev Wright a spiritual advisor and mentor . He attended the Trinity Church for over 20 years . This wasn't a drive by "hi pastor I could use your support in a primary " moment . It was by all appearances a dedication to the church and it's radical principles .

    As to his comments about Islam ; well lets say there is ample evidence to suggest that the goal of the religion is to create a global califate by any means necessary .
    Quote:

    "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached"
    Manuel II Paleologus
  • May 22, 2008, 07:58 AM
    speechlesstx
    I take issue with the article's title, "McCain Pastor: Islam Is a 'Conspiracy of Spiritual Evil.'" The title leaves the impression that this guy is McCain's pastor and that isn't the case.

    The guy is an idiot for saying "America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed," that is just an asinine statement. But, I don't believe he is wrong in standing against Islamic terrorists that absolutely do seek to conquer the world for Islam by violence if necessary. And if it's true that Parsley "also makes a distinction between Muslim terrorists and the vast majority of peaceful Muslims" and his statements "were in response to militant Islamic leaders' repeated pledges to kill Americans and destroy the United States and Western culture and democracies," I think he has grounds on which to stand.

    McCain did not spend 20 years being mentored by Parsley, and the media is going to drag out every possible evangelical tie to McCain to try and portray him as a bigot to get even for the Wright controversy. It'll be easy to name pastors with Parsley's view because most probably share his view of Islamic terrorism. I've been saying it and making those same distinctions for years. As far as comparisons between Parsley and Wright go, there is no comparison between manufactured conspiracies and repeating what Islamic militants have been saying all along.
  • May 22, 2008, 08:48 AM
    excon
    Hello Sky:

    I'm critical of my country, its policies, and of the people who are running it. That doesn't mean I don't love my country. Quite the opposite. I believe that it's a patriot's JOB to criticize his country - NOT just wear a lapel pin. This country was BORN in dissent, and I plan to carry on this great American tradition.

    There are others who choose to look outwards to make their criticism's... Those people aren't like me. If there's something wrong in the world, I believe that WE can do something - not that somebody else should have done something.

    I believe my thought process's, and how I view my role as a citizen of this great country of ours, mirrors MORE those of Pastor Wright than they do those of Pastor Early.

    excon
  • May 22, 2008, 04:12 PM
    SkyGem
    And then there is McCain's rejection of Pastor Hagee's endorsement.

    Political Punch
  • May 22, 2008, 05:16 PM
    Skell
    Just more religious extremists. No different from the people and religions they criticise. I find it best to ignore religion and the greed that runs it all together when making political decisions. But I'm not American.
  • May 22, 2008, 08:50 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SkyGem
    And then there is McCain's rejection of Pastor Hagee's endorsement.

    Political Punch

    McCain should never have sought Hagee's endorsement, not because Hagee is an anti-Catholic anti-semitic bigot, but because this is exactly what the left would do with Hagee. They can't manage the anti-Catholic line any more (see my signature) so now they're pressing the anti-semitic line. What I read in your link may be a stretch for Hagee but it's also a real stretch for this Bruce Wilson guy to support his conclusion of "the most extreme form of racist bigotry." You'll find a lot of support for Hagee from Jewish groups over the years and these guys don't want you to know that part of the story.

    By the way, I'm no Hagee fan - but he's a long way from Jeremiah Wright.

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