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It appears that more and more voters (about half) in different states are now saying they would not vote for Obama in November if he becomes the eventual nominee. Um, I wonder why that is? Is he losing his once popular touch on people or are people finally seeing through him to see the real him they don't like?
ABC News: Class Action: Money, Not Race Drives Vote
No, he has been running about 1/2 in many of the states. This is merely political rant of Hiliary supporters who don't want to admit they will lose.
Of course McCain could always pick Hilary as his running mate
Hello again, sky:
Losing support while winning the race... Hmmmm... that's an interesting spin...
excon
Really?
Obama takes superdelegate lead on eve of expected loss - CNN.com
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Clinton currently trails Obama across all fronts -- superdelegates, pledged delegates and the popular vote, according to CNN's latest estimates.
Obama leads in the race for superdelegates, 277 to Clinton's 273, and he's ahead in the overall delegate count, 1,869 to 1,697
Gee Sky your going to be bitterly disappointed when you wake up one morning next week and realise that Hillary has lost, and has been losing for a long long time now. No spin you put on it is going to change that! Even her own advisers realise its all but over.
No spin. Just showing you what the media is saying after interviewing voters. It is interesting though as no one here has yet addressed why half or more of some state's voters would not vote for him in November if he becomes the nominee. Afraid to make an assumption? Does anyone have the answer to THAT question? It's looking better and better for McCain you know!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skell
Couldn't you say the same thing about Hillary Skygem? Or McCain?
Go to an Obama rally, Sky. I dare you.
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Originally Posted by SkyGem
You're good for the assumptions, I'll stick to the facts. It bears pointing out in the primary elections that those with an education, time and time again, vote for Obama. BTW a refrigerator could run against McCain. ;)
And now Obama's starting to gain ground nationally among whites, women, and the less educated. Snap, snap, snap, "Sky."
Key Clinton Constituencies Moving Toward Obama
Hey, "Bab", You never could answer my question, which is why could half of the voters or more vote for McCain in November if Obama gets the nomination? I released this question asking for an "assumption" since we are not in November yet where the after the fact 'facts' could be analyzed. So, it is you who should "snap" up and listen to the question before offering a quick, shoot-from-the-hip type response. And Unity and Courage won't cut it... "snap!", "snap!!", "snap!!!" That's not what the nation is looking at right now, especially the blue-collar workers looking for secure jobs to keep food on their table for their family. Obama's empty words without a solid, concrete plan would not give him much of an edge among this group of voters. And blue-collar workers feel more secure with Hillary because Bill left this country in the Black financially and with Thousands of New Jobs before he left office. Can Obama say the same? Snap, snap to reality, "Babbles"! Like people are saying, he will lose much support if he is the eventual nominee. That much is already a foregone conclusion. And despite your feelings towards McCain, he is very much the candidate to beat in November and he is well-financed and with conservative issues that matter cropping up every day, re-igniting the conservative base, it continues to look good for him moment by moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
STLtoday - Will Obama sew up blue-collar vote?
Key Clinton Constituencies Moving Toward Obama
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Obama's latest gains have come from a broad spectrum of rank-and-file Democrats. At least for now, he has expanded his position as the preferred candidate of men, young adults, and highly educated Democrats, and has erased Clinton's advantages with most of her prior core constituency groups, including women, the less well-educated, and whites.
Hello:
There was a concerted effort by the right wing to make Hillary the democratic nominee. That's because they think they can beat her, and they don't think they can beat Obama.
It's finally becoming clear that YOU, Sky Gem, are behind that effort. It's one of the limprod's deals, isn't it? I applaud you guys for your efforts... However, it is for naught...
We've had enough of the right... More than enough... Obama is going to be the next pres and whomever he chooses as his VP will be the one after him...
I don't think you realize the amount of damage the neocons did. You will soon, though.
excon
Ex you do not understand . The goal of promoting Evita's campaign is to "bloody " Obama because until recently he was getting a free pass. The Democrats certainly did not vett him until it was way too late; and McCain was sending signals that he would not be aggressive during the general campaign.
But we see Obama as the weaker candidate because he is ideologically extreme. Also truth be told ;if there is to be a Democrat President I'd just as soon have one who is closer to reality regarding foreign policy.
Obama is arrogant . He thinks that traditional Democrat states don't matter. He has lost in all the significant "blue" states . Potentially he could pick off some "red "states especially if McCain continues to this his base ;but the truth is that as always; the election will be determined by how the center votes.
He has told the center that they are gun totin God clinging bitter people . Over the weekend he gave us his best Jimmy Carter impersonation telling us that we eat too much;drive too ,much ,and keep our homes too hot in the summer/cold in the winter .Then he expanded the "Kerry Global Test " saying that we would not meet international approval if we continued our bad habits . That may have played well in liberal Oregon ;but in flyover country it did not.
There is a lot of truth in what SkyGem posted . Exit polls from Kentucky showed that two-thirds of democrat voters said they would rather vote Republican or not at all than vote for Obama .
Clinton cleans up in Ky. - The Denver Post
That is a telling problem Obama has . Evita should fight on through the convention ! I want them both bloodied and battered .
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Your premise is based on primary data when we currently have two Democrats versus a Republican, but come November the reality is that it is one Democrat versus a Republican. Oh! How I do weep for our country's educational system!
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Originally Posted by SkyGem
You didn't "release" a question. You asked a question based on an assumption. That's shooting blanks hoping to hit a moving target. Since when is "unity" and "courage" a bad thing? That's sounds very divisive like racism "Sky." Don't we have enough division in the country already? When Hillary doesn't win the nomination fairly, are the Clinton's really self-serving enough to push for more divisions??
Bill, a Democrat, IMO had a better tenure than Dubya. That's not so difficult when the outgoing president has polled some of the lowest approval ratings ever. Obama does need to address a number of 5-7 states in that mid-east region on the blue collar issue and he will. All candidates normally backtrack after winning the nomination and shore up states where they didn't fair as well. And it's not empty words that is the problem, it's the empty heads that can't comprehend the words.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
You do realize how out of sorts you continue to sound in these threads?? I'm thankful that the far majority of Clinton supporters are reasonable and will support Obama come November. It's a foregone conclusion that you will not vote for Obama. That's OK with me. I don't get worked up over a insignificant temper tantrum here and there. Back in 2000, McCain's supporters by fifty percent in some primary polls claimed they would not vote for Dubya... guess what happened? They did and Bush won. BTW McCain's going to be fit for retirement by middle of next year after losing another presidential election. Sky, enjoy Starbucks!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
What are his ideological 'extreme' views?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Your version of reality about foreign policy differs widely from the most U.S. citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
It's all so true. The US is obese and too reliant on oil for their large SUVs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Of course you do, that helps you achieve *your* goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Extreme views
NPR: Obama Ranked Most Liberal Senator in 2007
The last time an extreme liberal was nominated he barely won his own state and lost 49 .
When Obama tells us that we can't continue to eat too much;drive too much ;keep our homes at a comfortable temperature America Shouts out YES WE CAN
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Tom, are you suggesting that Obama will lose 49 states to McCain or that he will just lose the election?? I want you on record.
So because they applied the "most liberal" label to him that makes his views "extreme"? LOL!
From your article:
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But the liberal ranking also comes after a prominent British magazine labeled Obama the ideal "conservative" candidate for America, and after several prominent conservative pundits have tossed bouquets his way.
For what it's worth Bobby ;I cannot make a prediction because the Republicans are not running their best . I think like recent elections the vote will reflect an almost even divide and whoever wins will win it close with a few swing states up for grab.
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