About ready to give up. It is a dll file called pmnILBrr.dll and it spawns new adware and spyware as it lives on. The spware and adware I can kill but the file itself is impossible. I tried safe mode, safe mode with a command prompt, it always shows as being used by another program. It must have attached itself to a windows critical process, in that case, maybe I should just backup and reformat... for the 4th time?:mad: