Obama apparently does not know the Holy Bible well at all. If he did, he would immediately be able to cite the passages that say "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." -- ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 16:31 (King James Version) and JOHN 14:6 (King James Version) "Jesus saith unto him, I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me."

Obama does not mention being BORN AGAIN (does he even know what that means?), a very important factor in attaining Salvation and Heaven after one's passage from this earthly life, as all Christians know. Again, he lacks the knowledge of what actually gets people into Heaven. "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be Born Again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -- JOHN 3:3 (King James Version) So, it appears that Obama is misinformed about the Christian faith if he does not fully recognize these very important Scriptures that speak to us on what it takes to be Saved. He is very wrong if he is teaching people that one need not Believe in Jesus Christ in order to be Saved and that all they have to be is "good", as Scriptures in the Holy Bible say Belief in Jesus and becoming Born Again are the most essential elements in Salvation!

Obama contends belief in Jesus Christ not necessary for salvation (OneNewsNow.com)

To each his own. If that is what he believes then all the best to him. Heavy topic. Politics And religion don't mix very well.

As a matter of fact, those who do good works, not necessarily in the name of god, but for their own peace of mind will find their own salvation.

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Originally Posted by tickle

To each his own. If that is what he believes then all the best to him. Heavy topic. Politics And religion dont mix very well.

Except that Obama is purporting to be a Christian. That's where this comes into play. If he left religion completely out of his politicking, then it might not affect him as much, politically speaking, but he continues to say he is not Muslim that he is Christian. Therefore, he needs to show us that indeed he understands the Christian basics for Salvation otherwise it's just talk on his part.

As a matter of fact, those who do good works, not necessarily in the name of god, but for their own peace of mind will find their own salvation.

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In another belief system or religion perhaps. But if one is a true follower of the Christian faith then Belief in Jesus Christ and His important role in Salvation of mankind coupled with becoming Born Again is essential to Salvation and Heaven. This is not just my opinion but incontrovertible Biblical Fact.

In Christianity there are many opinions as to being born again, is this their baptism, is this their confirmation, is this their speaking in tounges, there are denomination within Christianity that accept each of those as being born again.

Assuming their Baptist Church teaches the basics of the Baptist Church, then he would have at one point went forward to accept Christ and be baptised and became a church member.

As for quotes, I doubt most church members can quote chapter and verse, they can tell you what the beleifs are.

And he has been a member of a Baptist church for how many years? This may not make him save but then 1/2 of church members are not saved, they are church members, But by US meanings belonging to a christian church makes them a christian. It is not in God's eyes but in mans.

But really so if he is a muslim, his religion has little to do with his leadership,

Now look at the facts easy to prove that should scare everyone, he is the most liberal member of Congress, his programs would bankrupt American and his tax programs would hurt all of the working class and small busienss people.

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Now look at the facts easy to prove that should scare everyone, he is the most liberal member of Congress, his programs would bankrupt American and his tax programs would hurt all of the working class and small busienss people.

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Good points!

Let me add that he is the candidate that Hamas Supports! That scares me more than anything, Hamas wants Obama, DUH? Wonder what that could mean?

Really though, when it comes right down to it, if you are a conservative, we have NO good choice for this election. Sad but True.

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Really though, when it comes right down to it, if you are a conservative, we have NO good choice for this election. Sad but True.

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I'm not sad at all. I'm delighted. This situation is the appropriate outcome, and a direct result of the damage done by so-called conservatives. The fact that John McCain could get the Republican nomination ought to tell you something about the depth of support for conservative ideology among even the Republican electorate. The religious right and the neocons WAY overplayed their hand, and they richly deserve the smackdown they're getting.

As far as Obama's religious beliefs, or lack thereof, here's what Article VI of the Constitution says about it:

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no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

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I doubt if you'd vote for him even if he believed just like you do about what's necessary for salvation.

I understand the constitution, but, it was written before men, women, and children started strapping bombs to themselves in order to kill innocent people who believe differently then they do. It was written before airplanes could be crashed into skyscrapers, or a single bomb could wipe out a huge populated area, killing millions of, again, innocent people.

Much has changed in this world since the constitution was written, the founders were not clairvoyant and could not foresee our world as it exists today. I'm confident that had they been able to, we would have a much different document than exists today.

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I understand the constitution, but, it was written before men, women, and children started strapping bombs to themselves in order to kill innocent people who believe differently then they do. It was written before airplanes could be crashed into skyscrapers, or a single bomb could wipe out a huge populated area, killing millions of, again, innocent people.

Much has changed in this world since the constitution was written, the founders were not clairvoyant and could not foresee our world as it exists today. I'm confident that had they been able to, we would have a much different document than exists today.

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Which parts of the Constitution do you think have been rendered obsolete by modern conditions? Do you think religious tests should be allowed (required?) for public service? Should only (properly vetted) Christians be allowed to serve? What else needs changing?

We see the Constitution has to change, we have had many admendments to it over time. And there will be more as it has to change to protect society

[QUOTE=ordinaryguy]I'm not sad at all. I'm delighted. This situation is the appropriate outcome, and a direct result of the damage done by so-called conservatives. The fact that John McCain could get the Republican nomination ought to tell you something about the depth of support for conservative ideology among even the Republican electorate. The religious right and the neocons WAY overplayed their hand, and they richly deserve the smackdown they're getting.

I just wonder how much of McCain's success is owed to DEMOCRATS crossing over to vote for him the early primaries, as they viewed him as either the easiest Repub. To defeat or the easiest to live with if he wins? All the people I would have preferred were out of the race before I had a chance to vote! How many of you feel the same?

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I'm not sad at all. I'm delighted. This situation is the appropriate outcome, and a direct result of the damage done by so-called conservatives. The fact that John McCain could get the Republican nomination ought to tell you something about the depth of support for conservative ideology among even the Republican electorate. The religious right and the neocons WAY overplayed their hand, and they richly deserve the smackdown they're getting.

I just wonder how much of McCain's success is owed to DEMOCRATS crossing over to vote for him the early primaries, as they viewed him as either the easiest Repub. to defeat or the easiest to live with if he wins? All the people I would have preferred were out of the race before I had a chance to vote! How many of you feel the same?

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So TRUE!

There is no conservative candidate this go around, and, as has been said already,
Much of the problems have been brought on by "conservatives" like McCain and
Our current leader, with out of control spending, bigger government, poor decision
Making and liberal policies.

My party, has all but destroyed themselves from within. No matter what happens this November, it going to be a long 4 years, hell, possibly even 8!

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I understand the constitution, but, it was written before men, women, and children started strapping bombs to themselves in order to kill innocent people who believe differently then they do. It was written before airplanes could be crashed into skyscrapers, or a single bomb could wipe out a huge populated area, killing millions of, again, innocent people.

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Do you really think there weren't wars and senseless killing for different beliefs prior to the writing of the consititution? Granted a lot of the technology around today to cause even more destruction wasn't around then, but the concept is far from new...

You have to understand that many politicians are simply paying lip service to religion to the Christian vote. I'm not 100% sure about Obama, but I'd be very surprised if someone like Hillary Clinton believed in gods. My guess is that Obama probably does go through the motions, but is not that strong of a believer.

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We see the Constitution has to change, we have had many admendments to it over time. And there will be more as it has to change to protect society

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What changes do you think need to be made now to "protect society"?

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My party, has all but destroyed themselves from within.

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I hope you're right, maybe a phoenix will rise from the ashes. I'd still like to know what you think needs changing about the Constitution.

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I hope you're right, maybe a phoenix will rise from the ashes. I'd still like to know what you think needs changing about the Constitution.

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I'm sure many dems are relishing in our misery, you are not alone.

When one group or religion, believes that they have not only the right, but the duty, to kill anyone who believes differently than they do, then yes, religious tests may be required.

[QUOTE=Izannnah] Do you really think there weren't wars and senseless killing for different beliefs prior to the writing of the consititution? Granted a lot of the technology around today to cause even more destruction wasn't around then, but the concept is far from new...

I was not disputing the concept. Just making the point that we have come a long way since muzzle loaders, and swords, which were the most feared weapons available at that time.
Now, with suitcase dirty bombs, biological weapons, and suicide bombers of every age and gender, yes, a religious test needs to be done.

Anyone who believes that their religion gives them the right, and the duty, to kill those that do not believe the same as they do, cannot be allowed to serve as an elected official in this country.

Yes, and the Rep canidate ( the one everyone is forgetting about) they interviewed his minister, while he has been there for decades he has never formally joined. But this news acticle gets little notice.

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To each his own. If that is what he believes then all the best to him. Heavy topic. Politics And religion dont mix very well.

As a matter of fact, those who do good works, not necessarily in the name of god, but for their own peace of mind will find their own salvation.

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Couldn't have put it better myself, absolutoly right politics and religion definitely do not mix and in my opinion should be kept apart.
You can't please all of the people all of the time.

Last time I checked Obama was running for president not pope! It does not matter what he knows from the bible it makes no impact on how to run this country.

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Couldn't have put it better myself, absolutoly right politics and religion definitely do not mix and in my opinion should be kept apart.
You can't please all of the people all of the time.

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When the religion is a threat to the majority of the population, you can't keep them apart.

This discussion is not about pleasing the people, any of the time.