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  • Mar 20, 2008, 03:17 PM
    Mikyy
    No trust
    First, hello to everyone. I'm new here and I found this site by looking for questions similar to mine, or similar as can be. However nothing was just right.

    So here I am.

    This is sort of a long story, but I'll try to make it short as I can for you all.

    I met this girl named Tiana back in August of 2007. The first night she and I met, we had sex, which came as a surprise to me. She told me she wanted to be my girlfriend, and although hesitant, I figured "why not?"... so I agreed.

    The next day comes, and I call her up and she's crying dramatically. She goes on to tell me she's sorry but she's a Jehovah's Witness and can't be with me. I try arguing with her and tell her she's being irrational, but I don't get through. I'm not too upset because I just met her, so I hang up.

    2 weeks or so later, she calls me up, very apologetic, and tells me she made a huge mistake and she regrets breaking up. She tells me she wants to be with me no matter what, and she's positive. (I'm paraphrasing for you all) I'm very understanding person, we all make mistakes, and it's not like she did something horrible to me, so I trust her.

    So for a while everything seems okay. However her family is giving her a REALLY tough time about "leaving the truth"... her mom threatening to cut her out the family, having her grandpa (whom Tiana loves more than anything) call her and say how "dissapointed" he is in her... just to make her cry. However the whole time Tiana is telling me she loves me and nothing can break us apart.

    That didn't last long though. Eventually Tiana tells me she met this girl named Laura (not a Witness). I don't think anything about it but from there slowly things got bad. Suddenly Tiana would not reply to my emails (which she used to ALWAYS email me)... she'd ignore her phone, which for her is unheard of. If she would reply she'd tell me she's sorry and was busy, but I'm no fool.

    For about 2 weeks I have no way of getting a hold of her, then finally I do. I am at a restaurant with some of my family, and I'm standing outside. She answers the phone very non chalant, "Hello?".. I ask her why she never answers her phone or calls me back, she says, "I've been busy"... sort of coldly while laughing at whatever is going on with her and her friend Luara. I am in shock, because literally not long ago she was telling me she loves me! So I ask her, in hope she'd say, "no way baby, remember I told you we'll always be together?"... "Do you want a break or something?" and she says, "If that's what you wan t"... I get upset because that's NOT what I want, obviously. I tell her, "Wait who said that's what I want, you're the phone never answering your phone and ignoring me"... suddenly her phone hangs up on me. She ignores my call backs for a while then answers saying she's "sorry" and had no service. (I'm not a fool though)... she suddenly then breaks down telling me she can't be with me any more, etc. Like dramatically crying. I then can hear her friend Laura in the background saying, "hang up hang up hang up".. I am so upset that Tiana is allowing her to say that. I mean my heart is about to be crushed why make it worse? I say "Tell your friend to shut up!".. Tiana tone changes suddenly to anger, "Don't talk to her like that"...

    *click*

    From there for weeks I don't hear from her. Just once in a while in which she assures me she's not having sex, or dating, just needs "time to herself".. and she just hangs out with Laura.

    She posts on a forum we're both a member at that a friend of mine owns. It's a small forum. She began posting things like doing ecstasy, and getting high... etc. How she didn't think she'd be alive much longer. She made a thread about how she hates when she gets too high 'cause she always ends up in someone's bed on on their couch. (umm what does that mean exactly?)

    One day she posted about how she just smoked 15 cigarettes, so I contact her finally and ask her why she's doing this. She tells me she'll always be alone, that she is sorry and she loves me. At first I tell her that we should just be friends for a while, because I had trouble trusting her. She adamantly refused saying she had to be with me, etc. So I gave in, figuring eveyone makes mistakes.

    Literally, next day, I call her up and she at first answers the phone nicely with "hello?"... then I say, "hey baby" and she says coldly, "what?".. I'm a bit shocked, and I'm like, "uhh, let me guess, Laura is there, right?".. she says, "Yeah, so?"... and I say, "well it explains why you're being a "... so she hangs up on me.

    I talk to Tiana since then and she she tells me basically that she loves me and wants to be with me, but can't right now. I question her if this is because she wants to "slut around" and date other people. She says no, and gets upset for me not "trusting her"... She assures me she's not doing anything sexual. And so I tell her I won't either then. (and I don't)

    A couple weeks or so later she calls me and this is when everything goes REALLY down hill. She tells me she thinks she's pregnant. She says she's failed 2 pregnancy tests and has no one to go to and knows I care so thought she's come to me. (I know, funny right?) I asked her why she wasn't using protection and she say they were but it "slipped".. :rolleyes: Then I ask very angerily why she was lying to me, she tells me it only happened once and she was drunk and high, and it was only once.

    HAHAHAHHAHAHA. Btw she clamed she never had sex on Ecstasy.

    Later I talk to a friend of hers name Joey, I ask him about what she was doing (he was talking to her on a regular basis then).. he tells me he knows of 4 or 5 guys. He lists them all out pretty much in detail. Also I ask him about her having sex on ecstasy, he says, "she mentioned having sex on ecstasy in the shower and how amasing it was."

    Tiana tells me it was that ONE guy, 4 times. Tiana says she never had sex on ecstasy, but was high in the shower.

    :confused:

    I ask her why she told me with that guy "once" and she claims she's never said that. (How would *I* forget something like that?)

    Tiana later tells me she's had a miscarriage. That the guy was a jerk and they're not talking. Laura apparently told her to stay away from her and her friends... I guess Laura couldn't handle Tiana.

    So then I cut off connection with Tiana, and I started talking to a new girl, who seemed really cool. I needed some way to move on from Tiana. Tiana starts emailing me saying she misses me, I ignore. She seems panicked though, emails me continuously. I ignore her. Eventually she calls me up, I decide to answer because from ignoring ME to acting like a freak when I ignore her, I figured "maybe I'll see what she has to say"..

    She is crying telling me she loves me, made a huge mistake. I asked her why she would do that, she said the guy was a Jehovah's Witness, and she knew what they were doing was wrong, but thought she can change him. She said she had sex with him to "seal the deal"... umm, which to me made no sense because she had sex with me on the first night, so why wasn't our deal sealed?

    I sort of trust her words, because I did tell her under no circumstance would I becaome a Witness, but I had nothing negative to say about it as long as she didn't leave me over it.

    LATER though I talk to Joey, he sends me an AIM conversation of them to that was saved. She said during time she was emailing me over and over again, that she's going to be alone now, has no one. And how she doesn't know why she cares so much, how she didn't want me when she could had me. And now "he's gone and I'm alone".

    Just so you all know, on my friends forum she posted pictures of a guy saying they're "friends with benefits".. she said nothing happened but a kiss though. I say this because she tells me she left me for the religion, and only dated one guy. Yet stuff like that really makes me wonder if that's what it is. I talked with this guy I know named Mike (who talked with her sometimes) I asked him how she acted on ecstasy... and if he knew of her sleeping with guys. He is not type to make stuff up, so he's like "honestly man I don't know"... he just led him to believe that she was either going to be getting high on E and having sex, or end up in some guys bed to be taken advantage of.

    I question her about it, she says he's lying, etc... you know how it goes.

    Just so you all know. Tiana says she's had sex with only 4 guys her entire life, she's had sex with the guy she basically cheated on me with 4 times, and she's only done ecstasy 4 times.

    Now for 4 months since we've been back together, she's been perfect. In fact I changed and I put up with NOTHING. I set up "rules" for her being with me. If slightly broken I'll dump her "arse"...

    Example: she pissed me off and I got out her car and told her I'm done with her, she gets out her car, crying dramatically. I'm walking down the side walk, she chases me crying and tells me how "I'm throwing everything away" (haha)... I tell her how I'm not going to deal with her BS any more. She HITS me... and says, "I can't believe you're gonna do this to me"... now I am in shock, I back up and turn around to walk away. She falls on to her knees and begs me while sobbing not to leave her.

    So I feel bad and give her a hug and say everything is okay. This senerio has happened more than once. She panics if I don't talk to her. OR threatens to kill herself.

    Point: I try and try to let go and forgive her. But there's so many unanswered questions. Things not adding up. I sometimes feel I should move on, but I love her. That's why I even gave her a chance.

    I just want to know what you all thing about her. I feel like she only came back to me because likely that other guy dumped her, she lost her friends, so who's left? I feel really hurt that she slept with someone else... I don't think I can get over it. What do I do?
  • Mar 20, 2008, 03:46 PM
    friend4u178
    My god , sounds like the script from a Jerry Springer episode.

    But seriously how the hell have you put up with this cr*p for so long , she sounds to me like she is in serious need of professional help.

    Can you live the rest of your life with her going from 1 drama to the next?

    And believe me , a relationship can never last when you have to set up "rules" where if broken you will dump her a*s.
  • Mar 20, 2008, 05:15 PM
    Mikyy
    Thanks for the reply friend. When I say rules what I mean is "if you ever do that again or lead me to think something is wrong".. I am leaving.

    So not actually "rules"...

    I left a LOT of stuff out too, I mean so many details I couldn't fit in. It is much worse that the long post above shows.

    Example: One time I called her and wanted to see her, and she told me she couldn't see me that night. I asked why and she said she didn't want to tell me because it would hurt me (btw this at same time she telling me she loves me). I assume it's another guy, but she then says no, she's got to "go pick up drugs in Long Beach."

    WHAT?

    I am in shock. I mean she hasn't seen me in like 2 weeks, she then says she's sorry and that she'll come see me. (stupid me for believing her)

    I get ready, wait all night, I call, she ignores first few calls. Then tells me she can't come. But of course she's not going to get drugs, oh no.

    NOW, she tells me she lied about the drugs, that she and her mom were going to go puppy shopping (it was late at night)... and that she thought I'd get mad. And I'm like, "wait you'd thought I'd be happier that you chose drugs over me?"

    See, things NEVER add up.

    You ask why I put up with it, well obviously I love her. But is that reason enough? What would you all do in my situation. I just need to hear some outside opinions, because maybe I am not able to see logic.
  • Mar 20, 2008, 05:28 PM
    friend4u178
    Mikyy
    Ok so you say you Love her , and you say she loves you. I've got to say by her actions she certainly doesn't treat you like she does.

    Like I said previously I think she needs to seek professional help to get over her drug addiction to start with.

    What you need to do if you are really serious about staying with this girl is let her know you won't put up with this behaviour , and tell her you are willing to help her get the help she needs. Because lets see , she does drugs , she cheats on you and she lies to you. Doesn't sound like a healthy relationship does it.

    If she refuses to get help or just fobs it off as if she doesn't have a problem I would personally just get out of this now before it gets worse. It'll hurt for a while but you'll be able to move on and live a normal healthy life and find someone who will respect you and treat you the way you should be.
  • Mar 20, 2008, 05:40 PM
    Mikyy
    Well here's the thing. She doesn't do Ecstasy anymore, nor does she even smoke. I know this for a fact because I am with her constantly.

    Let's say she really is changing, how come it's so hard for me to forget what she did? I would NEVER sleep with someone behind her back. I couldn't do that. I just don't understand how she could let someone sleep with her.

    Is it understandable my feelings? What would you do if you were me?
  • Mar 20, 2008, 05:49 PM
    friend4u178
    If someone cheated on me they'd be History. I've always believed TRUST is a must for a relationship to work.
  • Mar 20, 2008, 06:17 PM
    Mikyy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by friend4u178
    If someone cheated on me they'd be History. I've always believed TRUST is a must for a relationship to work.

    Well what if the girl told you she wanted a break, and said she wanted to be with you but couldn't at the time. And told you she wasn't going to be having sex, etc. But did.

    Now it's not technically "cheating"... but kind of is. Considering that you're not together, the fact that she lied. Is that it?

    I mean it feels to me like she wanted to be with that guy, he wasn't what she thought, and so she came crawling back. Am I wrong?
  • Mar 20, 2008, 06:25 PM
    friend4u178
    Technically not cheating?? Please , your just making excuses for her. Bottom line Mikyy is she cheated , not only that but she's lied to you and keeps you hanging in there because you allow her to.

    Ultimately your going to have to make a choice , put up with this cr*p or let her make a decision (with your help) to help herself.
  • Mar 20, 2008, 06:27 PM
    CaribMan
    I personally world not be with that kind of girl... I have standards... some people like that kind of games girls play.. personally if it were me I would say fuk it!
  • Mar 20, 2008, 06:40 PM
    Mikyy
    Friend, I understand, what I mean is.. she just told me she and I couldn't be together right then, and lead me to think she wasn't doing anything. And she even told me not to do anything. Turns out she was. Now, she and I technically weren't together.

    What hurts me is really that she was telling me she loves me, while screwing another guy. And it feels like she's only back because that other guy kicked her to the curb after using her.

    This is all on top of ALL the other stuff she put me through... I mean you read the "Jerry Springer" post.

    To CaribMan too, could you ever forgive someone for this? Do you think Tiana was lying when she told Joey she didn't want me when she could have had me, and that I'm wrong to assume she came back because she had no one else?

    Also, do you think she's lying 100%? And do you think she had sex on ecastasy? I never done that so I don't know... I just thought it made you want sex. But she assures me she's never done it. Hmm. Lie?
  • Mar 20, 2008, 06:44 PM
    friend4u178
    She can tell you that she loves you as much as she likes , but ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
  • Mar 20, 2008, 06:49 PM
    Mikyy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by friend4u178
    She can tell you that she loves you as much as she likes , but ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

    I guess it's safe to say she's only with me now because the other guy wasn't what she expected. She took me forgranted.

    I appreciate your patience with me, I am really torn inside. I literally don't know whether I should leave her, or forgive her. But it's SO hard to forgive what she did to me. IF someone telling you they love you, and you love them, but then they want a "break" just to screw someone else and not feel guilty... how pathetic. :mad:

    So I guess even if she's sorry, she doesn't deserve another chance, right?
  • Mar 20, 2008, 06:55 PM
    friend4u178
    I understand it hurts , but it will just keep hurting unless you take a stand. Read some of the other posts on here and you'll realise your not alone. Read the stickys at the top of the relationship forum for some good insights of how to deal with it all.

    And you ask if she deserves another chance , well in my opinion NO! From what you have written sshe certainly doesn't show any respect for you or your feelings. Don't ever be someone's second choice.
  • Mar 20, 2008, 08:09 PM
    Mikyy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by friend4u178
    I understand it hurts , but it will just keep hurting unless you take a stand. Read some of the other posts on here and you'll realise your not alone. Read the stickys at the top of the relationship forum for some good insights of how to deal with it all.

    And you ask if she deserves another chance , well in my opinion NO! From what you have written sshe certainly doesn't show any respect for you or your feelings. Don't ever be someone's second choice.

    I am going to read a lot on this site. So much good info.

    She assures me that I wasn't her second choice. But she felt she couldn't be with me 'cause I wasn't a Jehovah's Witness. But I mean I felt if it was really about that, why did she go and have sex? 4 times?

    Something's not right. Well, she tells me she was "confused"... and made a mistake.

    What do you think? Could she really be that confused? And what about "sealing the deal".. that she told me... BS? I mean do you think she's complete BS? I ask you because I may be blind right now, and you're someone with an outside view.
  • Mar 21, 2008, 07:33 AM
    talaniman
    The problem, neither of you has a clue about a healthy relationship, because your not healthy as individuals. Sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll, and feeling a little freedom, can lead down a self destructive path, and poison a relationship, as does lying, just for the drama. You certainly aren't helping each other, and I can't see you enjoying this, or happy about it. Man up, and get out. She is confused, and confusing you also.
  • Mar 21, 2008, 04:31 PM
    Mikyy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman
    The problem, neither of you has a clue about a healthy relationship, because your not healthy as individuals. Sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll, and feeling a little freedom, can lead down a self destructive path, and poison a relationship, as does lying, just for the drama. You certainly aren't helping each other, and I can't see you enjoying this, or happy about it. Man up, and get out. She is confused, and confusing you also.

    Please elaborate on your conclusions. You tell me I have no clue about a healthy relationship, that I'm not healthy as a person, etc. I would like you to explain what brings you to these conclusions.

    Obviously drugs lead down a self destructive path, and obviously I'm not enjoying this, or happy about it. Obviously.

    However, I'm not doing drugs and neither is she, any more (just a note: I never have done drugs). Once again feel free to elaborate any time. I'll check back.

    :)
  • Mar 24, 2008, 09:14 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    She posts on a forum we're both a member at that a friend of mine owns. It's a small forum. She began posting things like doing ecstasy, and getting high... etc. How she didn't think she'd be alive much longer. She made a thread about how she hates when she gets too high 'cause she always ends up in someone's bed on on their couch. (umm what does that mean exactly?)
    Quote:

    Tiana tells me it was that ONE guy, 4 times. Tiana says she never had sex on ecstasy, but was high in the shower.
    Quote:

    Example: she pissed me off and I got out her car and told her I'm done with her, she gets out her car, crying dramatically. I'm walking down the side walk, she chases me crying and tells me how "I'm throwing everything away" (haha)... I tell her how I'm not going to deal with her BS any more. She HITS me... and says, "I can't believe you're gonna do this to me"... now I am in shock, I back up and turn around to walk away. She falls on to her knees and begs me while sobbing not to leave her.
    Quote:

    I just want to know what you all thing about her. I feel like she only came back to me because likely that other guy dumped her, she lost her friends, so who's left? I feel really hurt that she slept with someone else... I don't think I can get over it. What do I do?
    You are an enabler for a very troubled person, and the dependence on each other is poison for you both, and will continue until you cut the chord. The things you have put up with, and the things she does to makes you stay, are unhealthy at best, and keeps you both from growing in a good direction. That's only the tip of the iceberg, as you let her use you as a crutch for her bad behavior, The fact that you can't see this for yourself, is a sign of bad decision making skills, and a dependence that will be the downfall of you both, and you really should sever this relationship, for either of you to have a chance at a healthy productive life.
  • Mar 24, 2008, 06:32 PM
    Mikyy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman
    You are an enabler for a very troubled person, and the dependence on each other is poison for you both, and will continue until you cut the chord. The things you have put up with, and the things she does to makes you stay, are unhealthy at best, and keeps you both from growing in a good direction. That's only the tip of the iceberg, as you let her use you as a crutch for her bad behavior, The fact that you can't see this for yourself, is a sign of bad decision making skills, and a dependence that will be the downfall of you both, and you really should sever this relationship, for either of you to have a chance at a healthy productive life.

    No I understand all this, in fact my mom told me this. I misunderstood what you meant before that's all.

    I honestly feel if I left her she'd do something crazy. So it's tough.
  • Mar 24, 2008, 06:36 PM
    friend4u178
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mikyy
    No I understand all this, in fact my mom told me this. I misunderstood what you meant before that's all.

    Your Mom sounds like an intelligent woman :-)
  • Mar 25, 2008, 04:25 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    I honestly feel if I left her she'd do something crazy. So it's tough.
    SO STAY, AND KEEP MAKING UNHEALTHY CHOICES? Its not as tough as you make it, and why take on the responsibility of her actions?

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