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Obama, the immaculate deception?

Obama blamed the Iraq war for higher oil prices and skyrocketing debt, which shows his ignorance of economics or contempt of the average American.

For one thing higher oil prices are because the OPEC countries are refusing to increase output (thus limiting supply) which drives up the price; and for another trade deficit. But of course we already know of his lack of knowledge about trade because of his isolationist position.

Although I agree that economic conditions have something to do with the Iraq War, but so what, that is a price we pay for a long-term strategic goal.

Are you asking the board or guessing again?

Bobby

The girl who can't dance says the band can't play, and what you don't see with your eyes, don't invent with your mouth.:)

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Bobby

The girl who can't dance says the band can't play, and what you don't see with your eyes, don't invent with your mouth.:)

Almost DC, almost. In Yiddish it's, az di kalleh nit tantsen, zogt zi di klezmorim kennen nit shpilen. Which means, "If the bride can't dance, she finds fault with the musicians."

You start the post off with Obama blaming the war for oil prices and then you agree with him by saying "that economic conditions have something to do with the Iraq War." In the words of NeedKarma, "Well duh!" That has a lot to with the reason your suppositions are not drawing much attention. I'm going to rephrase your question into reality: Bush has screwed up this country economically the last seven and half years with nine billion plus a month pouring into a war that only McCain wishes to continue, however is there anything any candidate can do to help us get out of the recession, perhaps in an effort to lower gas prices, since the Republican candidate has already admitted that economics is not his strong subject?

IMO besides Obama and Clinton we should get some Ron Paul love on this one!

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Obama blamed the Iraq war for higher oil prices and skyrocketing debt, which shows his ignorance of economics or contempt of the average American.

For one thing higher oil prices are because the OPEC countries are refusing to increase output (thus limiting supply) which drives up the price; and for another trade deficit. But of course we already know of his lack of knowledge about trade because of his isolationist position.

Although I agree that economic conditions have something to do with the Iraq War, but so what, that is a price we pay for a long-term strategic goal.

Greetings, Dark_crow! Thought you might like to take a look at this article. Most interesting!

The Man Who Brought Down Barack Obama

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Originally Posted by SkyGem

The Man Who Brought Down Barack Obama

Wow! Read for yourself the introduction headline of the article, "An Andy Martin Retrospective: Andy is the columnist who first disclosed Barack Obama's Muslim 'roots'"

In other words... "On a Witch Hunt with Andy Martin: Andy is the white columnist that hates on people that had any Muslim relatives."

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Wow! Read for yourself the introduction headline of the article, "An Andy Martin Retrospective: Andy is the columnist who first disclosed Barack Obama's Muslim 'roots'"

In other words.... "On a Witch Hunt with Andy Martin: Andy is the white columnist that hates on people that had any Muslim relatives."

To put things in a better perspective, this link should answer many questions!

ABC News: Poll: Americans Skeptical of Islam and Arabs

Listen if numbers are the ultimate end to legitimacy look at how the majority of Americans voted last election. I can understand voting Bush based on unknown change the first time, but after his first disaster, twice? Wow! I never thought I see so many of my fellow Americans leaping off the bridge together. They did and now I have to pay the price with them.

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To put things in a better perspective, this link should answer many questions!

ABC News: Poll: Americans Skeptical of Islam and Arabs

And Babram, here's more that you should read before thinking your position is so mainstream or that only Whites are against Muslims! That is not the case. This story goes back a ways so you cannot say it is simply brand new thinking. This should offer some good balance and parity to this matter.

About Radical Islam

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Listen if numbers are the ultimate end to legitimacy look at how the majority of Americans voted last election. I can understand voting Bush based on unknown change the first time, but after his first disaster, twice?! Wow! I never thought I see so many of my fellow Americans leaping off the bridge together. They did and now I have to pay the price with them.

Knowing that through past experience should offer a Good LESSON to you and everyone else! So, don't make the same mistake with Obama and his charming words of Change. After all, both Bush and his daddy ran on "change" trying to offer a better tomorrow and look what happened! Be forewarned, all that glitters is not gold!

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Originally Posted by SkyGem

Knowing that through past experience should offer a Good LESSON to you and everyone else! So, don't make the same mistake with Obama and his charming words of Change. Afterall, both Bush and his daddy ran on "change" trying to offer a better tomorrow and look what happened! Be forewarned, all that glitters is not gold!

I want to address to you, and anyone interested, my feelings and understanding on Muslims. Besides having friends that are Muslim, we share to some degree religious agreement on various issues. Much of what they acknowledge was borrowed from the Torah. As a people following a spectrum of Islam beliefs, I know how to separate those that would go to extremes and good Muslim adherents that are productive for society. I measure everyone, not just Muslims or Christian, but even my own people, Jews. I have numerous peers that are Atheist and even more that are Agnostic. I have some acquaintances that are homosexuals. No I don't agree with their lifestyle from my Faith perspective, but that's their choice and I can't hate on them because they are still my brothers and sisters in humanity and sharing this planet that we all come home.

Obama is supportive of the Israeli State remaining as is; right to existence. As a Jew, and one that has weighed in on Zionist issues more than once, Obama understands the haven Israel represents for Jews in general. He also understands the right the Israeli government has to protect (defend) itself. Jews have always had a continuous presence in Israel, although the migration populace swelled significantly due to the holocaust and eventually brought about the current government. The Palestinian/Israeli conflict-relations issue has been subject of every U.S. presidency going back some fifty plus years. Carter is commonly understood to be the least outwardly supportive of Israel. Clinton (Bill), backed off his pro-Israel support after entering office causing concern among Jewish communities here in the States. Bush, like many politicians before him, has made a late cosmetic pilgrimage to Israel in hopes of striking up the peace band. Personally one of my favorite presidents that held strong support for Israel (and Jews in general) was LBJ, whom my grandmother knew as a collegian. As an American, my hope is that Obama (or any of the candidates) make good on their campaigned support of Israel. I say this not only in protection of Jews living in Israel, but knowing that the Israeli govt made accommodations for a very long time trying to integrate Palestinians to be productive in society. Of course that didn't work out so well when the PLO stirred the masses and called for the annihilation of Israel. But L-rd knows the Israeli govt tried. In all fairness I don't always agree with Israeli government, and I'm more than willing to acknowledge their imperfections. However, as for Obama, he knows that the State of Israel is an ally that bolsters our US presence in the Mid-East region.

About Obama:

Obama and Israel - January 9, 2008 - The New York Sun

Dubya, if he could run for office again, would do so on "change." He admits so in the following article interview. The difference is that he didn't fool me neither time, because I didn't vote for him. I knew what we were getting from having seen his father's act back in the eighties. So here is news that's fairly recent on Bush and his trip to Israel and how he views his faith, as a Christian and that of Muslims:

Bush: I would run as 'change' agent - The White House - MSNBC.com

Obama sterotypically called his grandmother ;who he threw under the bus in his "I have a Pastor Speech " , a 'typical white person. ' in an inteview on CNN. Even worse he said the "typical white person" views others of different races with fear and suspicion. Way to unite us Obama!!

http://images.stuckon-stupid.com/Oba...withgmagpa.jpg

Wake up! Dubya threw you under the bus. I'm not going to be voting based on McCain's feelings for his great uncle, his cousin, or his mother. Obama loves all his family, black and white, as I'm sure John McCain does. I know you heard some old white Republican news commentator on TV suggest that Obama threw his grandmother under the bus. Well Tom their paid to say nonsense to stir the masses and have no substance at a time when GW Bush has screwed the majority of us into economic oblivion.

After the past week I feel a much stronger bond with my non-Caucasian brothers and sisters, don't you? I can't wait until he expands on his definition of a "typical white person."

Thanks for the link, SkyGem, it was news to me.

Yeah, neither Obama or Wright are a Booker T. Washington, nor do their beliefs compare with the Hampton Institute.

Nor do either make as sensible plea as Washington:

"To those of my race who depend on bettering their condition in
a foreign land or who underestimate the importance of cultivating friendly relations with the southern white man, who is their next-door neighbor, I would say: 'Cast down your bucket where you are, cast it down in making friends in every manly way of the people of all races by whom we are surrounded.

Cast it down in agriculture, mechanics, in commerce, in domestic service, and in the professions. And in this connection it is well to bear in mind that whatever other sins the South may be called to bear, when it comes to business, pure and simple, it is in the South that the Negro is given a man's chance in the commercial world, and in nothing is this Exposition more eloquent than in emphasizing this chance. Our greatest danger is that in the great leap from slavery to freedom we may overlook the fact that the masses of us are to live by the productions of our hands, and fail to keep in mind that we shall prosper in proportion as we learn to dignify and glorify common labor and put brains and skill into the common occupations of life; shall prosper in proportion as we learn to draw the line between the superficial and the substantial, the ornamental gewgaws of life and the useful.

No race can prosper till it learns that there is as much dignity in tilling a field as in writing a poem. It is at the bottom of life we must begin, and not at the top. Nor should we permit our grievances to overshadow our opportunities."

http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext93/blexp10.txt

"No race can prosper till it learns that there is as much dignity in tilling a field as in writing a poem. "

DC, Well said.

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Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Obama blamed the Iraq war for higher oil prices and skyrocketing debt, which shows his ignorance of economics or contempt of the average American.

Although I agree that economic conditions have something to do with the Iraq War, but so what, that is a price we pay for a long-term strategic goal.

Ignorance of economics and contempt for the average American are pandemic in Washington, especially among the Dem/fascists.

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After the past week I feel a much stronger bond with my non-Caucasian brothers and sisters, don't you? I can't wait until he expands on his definition of a "typical white person."

Typical meaning having two Caucasian parents and in an era which was presented as normal. Provided Obama gets the Democratic nomination, I can't wait for the morning after that first national debate. All right Cowboy, I hope our scouts get us defensive backfield help in the draft, and maybe one really good receiver to help out Owens. I'm going to shut it down for Shabbos soon. Catch you later brother. ;)

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Thanks for the link, SkyGem, it was news to me.

You're welcome, Dark_crow! For more interesting stories, go to the following website but most importantly, check out the COMMENTS section there including one posting with some very interesting links for all who are interested to visit!

Political Radar: It's Not Over...

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Typical meaning having two Caucasian parents and in an era which was presented as normal. Provided Obama gets the Democratic nomination, I can't wait for the morning after that first national debate. Alright Cowboy, I hope our scouts get us defensive backfield help in the draft, and maybe one really good receiver to help out Owens. I'm going to shut it down for Shabbos soon. Catch you later brother. ;)

That's the optimistic interpretation anyway. :D

Word in today's paper was Jerry is talking to Tennessee about getting Pacman. I'm all for it if he gets to play and keeps his nose clean.